I thought of this at work today when I finally realized the obscene number of tacky dressers that I confront on a daily basis. This does not imply whatsoever that I consider myself "fashionable", but merely that other people's wardrobe choices can bother me. That said, here's number one on my list...

I hate it when people wear ties with something other than a button-down shirt and collar.

(Edited by richarddawson at 12:28 am on Mar. 30, 2003)

it's avril lavigne's (lavine?) fault.

dont even get me started on this topic.......

on a related subject, has anyone seen the new The Learning Channel show "what not to wear"?

(Edited by ray davies at 1:50 am on Mar. 30, 2003)

I've seen that show...in fact, I watched it last nite. It, like TLC's "Trading Spaces," is a rip-off of the original British version (with the same title) which, like the British "Changing Rooms," is far superior. Everything is so much better on the BBC version. The hostesses are much cooler, and, unlike the guy host on the TLC version, they dress themselves better than the people they are trying to transform.

yeah, that guy should not be telling people how to dress....i mean, he wore a plaid shirt with suede elbow pads.....bad idea.

AHhhh... Ray Davies, I LOVE your signature. That kid's voice is so fucked up...it cracks me up every time I see that movie.

man, i love this show. they are so cruel to the people they are telling "what not to wear." i think i saw tears in the poor hippie-lady's eyes towards the beginning of last night's episode. maybe this was because they told her she looked like a character from "lord of the rings" and used the term "sacks of rice" in reference to her lack of a bra (or as they all pronounced it, "brar"). i shall at some point have a wayne lukas scot avatar...

Man, she did look bad, but they were really cruel. I would have cried had they said that stuff to me. I'd also probably cry if my friends humiliated me in front of the world saying, "Surprise, we think you suck at dressing yourelf!!"

why thank you, buckley. that kid's voice is really fucked up....

I know I'm not the resident expert on Wes Anderson films, but according to the director's commentary (I think), everytime they did a take on that scene, Bill Murray pointed to a different part of the painting and asked "What's that you're painting?". The kid ad-libbed something different everytime, which explains why he hesistated in the final version. And yeah, that kid's voice is fucked up.

(Edited by carligula at 1:36 pm on Mar. 30, 2003)

It's true, Carl. The kid's answer was improvised.

My biology professor tucks his shirt into his jeans and does not wear a belt. This same man has graying curly hair, which is styled into a mullet.

I loathe shirts tucked into shorts as well as long sleeves with shorts. I don't understand...if your arms are cold enough to warrent long sleeves, then shouldn't your legs be cold enough to get pants? Ties being worn with anything other than button up shirts. Frayed baseball caps and visors worn upside-down and backwards are also bad. Sandals with socks...

And "What Not to Wear" is a hilarious show and I love it. It is just so, so, so insanely mean and I can't look away when I watch it.

Yes, I have had a hatred for backwards caps for as long as I can remember. In my high school yearbook, we had to include a little thing about ourselves listing pet peeves, etc...one of mine was people who wear backwards caps. . . I cannot even describe my hatred of visors.

And, of course, I agree that ties should never be worn with anything other than a button-up collared shirt.

My list could go on forever.

I've only been able to catch the BBC version of "What Not to Wear" once. I thoroughly enjoyed it. However, I may enjoy the TLC version more just because the hosts are so ridiculous, stupid, and unfashionable themselves.

Of course BBC almost always does everything better than TLC. The designs in "Changing Rooms" are usually much better than those of "Trading Spaces", in my opinion.

Speaking of "Trading Spaces," did anyone see last nite's episode where this one designer actually made a bedroom into like a garden or something?? She made a bedspread out of astro-turf and plastic flowers, painted the walls yellow, put a grass or something border on the ceiling, had a white picket fence around the bed, made a single wooden swing in the corner with some gravel or something underneath (pink carpet covered the rest of the floor)...oh my gosh, i've never seen something so hideous. It wasn't even like, "oh that's so outrageous, they put zebra prints on the wall," it was just soooooo tacky. I couldn't believe my eyes. It looked like a nursery from a childhood nightmare.

I saw that one when it aired a while back. I think that Kia or whatever her name is, did it (she looks like Eve to me). That is, by far, the worst room I've ever seen. It's right up there with the one where moss covered a whole wall. I think that I like Doug and Genevieve's rooms best, but I like Frank's personality most of all. If only Frank didn't have to do murals and put flowers everywhere...

Yeah, the moss one was pretty bad. But even then I could see where she was going...and everything else looked alright besides it. The nursery from hell takesthe cake. No wonder I never see that designer on the show very often.

better watch your mouth. roadie wears ties with tshirts.

and i think its hot.

Perusing bridal magazines, I have seen many, many items that are just utterly distateful, namely hats worn with wedding dresses and gaudy renaissance-style dresses.

All white suits and white tuxes should be banned from men's apparel.

I see my students wearing some pretty nasty stuff - for the boys, mainly jeans with wastelines that begin just above the knees (come on, hasn't this baggy pants trend gone on enough???). For the girls, I detest any shirt that advertises how "hott" they are (always worn by the least attractive girls) and anything with the word "princess" printed on it. Ugh.

I like all white suits and tuxedos. But I agree on the rest.

And both of those still occur amongst college students. There was also a "colored thong with white capri pants" trend that went on at my high school. Nothing says hottness like someone underwear showing through their pants. Rowl...

Excellent call my friend. I don't like the t-shirts from Abercrombie, AE, etc. because they advertise places that don't even exist. Not to mention the fact that you know when buying it that hundreds of local people could be wearing that exact same t-shirt on any given day. It's silly. But even more important is the fact that they cost $20 each and you could find 10 cooler shirts at Goodwill and buy all of them for the price of the one shirt at the mall store. I am baffled by this trend.

(Edited by richarddawson at 5:37 pm on Mar. 30, 2003)

But it's pointless.

I hate mass-produced creasing, paint drops, rips, etc. on jeans. I think that is an excellent example of how silly Abercrombie and all that shite is. I mean, how absurd to have fabricated stains and wear-marks...

I really hate jeans that go waist high. That is just so ugly and outdated to me. I've even got my mom wearing hiphuggers.

The visor thing just looks so stupid that its funny.

And I hate when girls thongs hang completley out. Doesnt that defeat the purpose of the thong? In a recent poll by some guy friends the "sexiest thing a girl could do is have the side part of a G-String hanging out".

Here's what I want to do, Mr. Dawson:

Produce a t-shirt with all of the brand names on it, just one after another, in a very scientific grid on the front - Tommy, Abercrombie, Aero, Calvin Klein, Fubu, all of them lined up together. I figure people would buy the shirt. I mean, why have just one brand on your clothes when you could have them ALL - cover all of the bases, you know? You think Polo is cool? Yeah, I got that on here. Gap? Check.

In all seriousness, I have never understood the appeal of having a big brand name on your clothes. I just don't get it.

Yes, those are awful. And, of course, they always have to be plastered with glitter or rhinestones. I think the ones that say things such as "Boys Lie" might even be worse. Even though I'm not a boy, I get defensive. You know, not all boys lie.

(Edited by Sexy Sadie at 6:41 pm on Mar. 30, 2003)

I think those shirts are only made so people can have the look of "Hey, I payed twenty dollars for this shirt. Why, you ask? Because I can." and/or "I am trying to fit in with the crowd. Am I Doing a good job?" Other than that, they are personality-repressive.

One of my professors started making fun of some guys hat that had a year on it, and he was like "1875?" (or whatever year it was) "what the hell does that mean?" and the guy was like "it was the year abercrombie was established.." and my professor was like, "what?? it looks like hell... and i bet you paid $75 for it, too"

(Edited by Buckley at 6:47 pm on Mar. 30, 2003)

i cant understand the reasoning behind paying $75 for a piece of shit t-shirt......it's pointless. i can find a much better shirt at goodwill for $2 that wont fall apart as soon as i wash it......

it is pointless....and very stupid looking.....ties are meant to be worn with shirts that have collars. it's just logic.

Yeah, well, I watch "The Look for Less" on the Style network. They give a designer or famous person $100 to blow on trying to recreate designer looks, for less. Well, I get mad every time I watch it because this chick who's not that stylish gets to host it, but I mainly get mad because they take the $100 and get one outfit that's not that cute, while I could go to a thrift store and get about fifteen outfits for that much money...and they'd be cuter, too. I wish they'd let me be on that show, and I'd show them how to shop. Hmph.

Those "designer look for less" shows always make me mad lol lke i have a $20 buck budget on clothes, and like they spend $50 bucks on a shirt that they say if u would have bought the real deal it would have costs $200... Who spends $200 on a shirt??? People with money find so many ways to blow it...

Exactly. . . they're always like, "This skirt was a steal...ONLY $142.99!". And they say it with such pride, like they really got a great deal.

Token just doesn't want to marry a Southern gentleman like me.

This echoes anything I could've said on this topic.

Yeah, the Colonel Sanders look is so totally in now, dude.

Of course I cannot judge wedding attire since I want fancy schmancy top hats worn at mine...whenever that is...if that ever is...and now back to studying.

when comic book women crawl off of their pages...



...and,might I say God forbid the homeless should ever become trendy. this message board does a good job of keeping them in their places






(Edited by damon at 10:31 pm on Mar. 30, 2003)

I hate it when people tuck their shirt in without wearing a belt! It kills my soul to see it. I also don't like camouflage.

Much to his disliking, YDDD will look very fancy schmancy in his cutaway jacket and pinstripe strollers (no top hat, though).

As many times as he has pleaded, I will not let him wear a Col. Sanders-esque white suit with little black tie. I guess I'm no fun. In my opinion, Southern gentlemen are overrated.

pointless? okay. lets talk pointless. vests. there is no fucking purpose for a vest unless your goal is to be ugly.

ties are pointless any way you wear them. there is no need for anyone to wear a noose, unless it is to try to look as cool as roadie. plus, i thought we were talking about fashion missteps, not utility.

are you talking about sweater vests? or just vests in general?

we are talking about fashion missteps. a person who wears a tie without a collar is committing a fashion "no-no". shame on them for their lack of style. shame on them!

vests in general, and sweater vests are horrendous.

and youre the one who used the words pointless and logic in reference to ties.

(Edited by stopforme at 12:27 am on Mar. 31, 2003)

you could be mistaken about sweater vests. they are very useful. very warm. cozy.

and i was talking about ties in relation to being worn with shirts without a collar. ties are not pointless. however, the combination of a shirt without a collar and the usage of a tie is pointless, stupid, and overall, disgusting.

(Edited by ray davies at 12:38 am on Mar. 31, 2003)

please. do i really have to clarify all of this tie business?

p.s. warm, cosy, and horrendous.

i believe you just might have to clarify it for my unhip self.......inform me.



(Edited by ray davies at 12:52 am on Mar. 31, 2003)

hahahah... you always were my favorite, modfather.

(Edited by stopforme at 1:01 am on Mar. 31, 2003)

glad to be of service.

Sweater vests are beautiful. They're one of my favorite articles of clothing. I wear them, and I love boys who wear them. I also love three piece suits.

Hmm, I know I have seen Roadie on at least one occassion sporting a sweater vest...and tie. However, you still seem to think he's the dreamiest.

(Edited by Sexy Sadie at 10:34 am on Mar. 31, 2003)

in fact, he was wearing that combination at the vandy show.....

(Edited by ray davies at 10:44 am on Mar. 31, 2003)

i myself am a fan of the long sleeves and the shorts. how is that any different from a t-shirt and pants?
and how do all of you always remember what roadie was wearing?

(Edited by 6969hOoBaInCuBuS420 at 11:50 am on Mar. 31, 2003)

i can't belive it has taken me this long to respond to this topic.
ties are pointless regardless, and they look silly with no collar.

vests of all kind are gross.

ive never seen this BBC show, but it sounds funnt.

i'll tell you what I don't like - animal prints. and whats worse is animal prints mixed with flowers.

one of my friends from work is this punk rocker metal listening kid and he makes fun of the way indie kids dress. he says, "you steal clothes from your grandfather's closet".

this, however, does not bother me. we all know how cool we are.
except juliana. she needs new shoes.

and another thing i don't like, but i don't think it's necessarily a faux paus (sp?). it just makes me want to gag, and I spot it in nearly every one of my classes at uga: guys wearing khaki shorts with loafers and no socks. Not that it would look any better with socks, but that particular combination is just dreadful to me. it says to me: "I can't wait to join my Dad's golf club!!!"

I think ties and sweater vests on the right people can be very fashionable (see Teddy).

Thongs- I'd have to say most of the time thongs gross me out. I might be weird, but I think panty lines are cute; I don't mind them at all. And, yes, I'm a boy and I like wearing capri pants.

I'd have to see it to believe an exception can be made for this case. Typically, that is a big "no-no" in my book. But, with your whole "Brit-style", it may work.

I also agree that the ties and vests can work on certain people and not for others. It definitely works for Ray Davies, so I can see why he defends it. I don't mind the vests or ties, personally.

(Edited by richarddawson at 2:16 pm on Mar. 31, 2003)

I've got to stick up for the "country club" look. In my area, this style is not abundant amongst my age group. Thus, I often wear it because I like it and it is different. I haven't done the loafer thing, but the sandals do get worn. Mind you, I do not consider cargo-esque khakis part of the trend. That goes into the frat-look. The "country club" look is defined by a nice shirt of some kind tucked into normal khaki shorts with appropriate footwear. It's a favorite of mine.

I also am a violator of the long-sleeved shirt/shorts trend. I agree with Digsy's logic, but sometimes it just feels right to wear. Tucked in, of course.

Ewwww...somebody said the 'P' word!!!! From now on, refer to that which you speak as the guy in "annie hall" does: V.P.L., visible p---- line.

at my highschool there was this weird girl who had really long (like past waist-length) hair. then she cut it all off. then one day, a few months later, she reattatched it in pony-tail form and wore it again. (mind you this was not done in any sort of professional manner...just old hair somehow attatched up there.)

i'd say this is a fashion faux.

Sounds more like a mental faux.

we have good memories, i suppose.

i'm sick of polyester disco shirts with oversized collars. i'm getting rid of every one that i own. i don't like two button suits, patent leather, carpenter jeans, anything oversized, designer jeans(diesel, lucky, etc.), sean john, phat farm, ecko, ripped jeans, aged jeans, clothes from stupid places(abercrombie, american eagle, etc.), 99% of new athletic shoes, visors(unless they have clear plastic), big ties, most shades of green, or most shades of purple.
i want a pair of osh kosh b'gosh overalls, an 80s swatch, a gennera hypercolor shirt(that works), a kung fu outfit, jello pudding pops, five alive, and a lebowski jacket.

Sometimes he stands in front of people who are sitting at the raised area of the End to see De Novo Dahl and Verde. Those people are then forced to notice what he is wearing, because he is in their way. I was once bitter, but all is now forgiven. Roadie seems to be alright.

You are now my god.

PANTY

And I have jeans with holes in them, but those came from wearing them too much and I'm too cheap to go shopping for new ones.

Oh yeah, and panty.

ahhhh...why do you hate me???

and I wasn't knocking khaki shorts by any means...it's just the loafers without socks.

I agree, and I would just like to add PANTIES.

These are two of the coolest things ever. By hyper shirt I am assuming you mean the shirt that change colors. I know that at one time they made everything, including jump suits. I think some band wore them. Maybe I just made that up.

....starting at $2.99"

i hate big, wide ties......skinny is the way to go.

and i defintely agree with you on the whole two button suit thing. three buttons should be the norm.

Beat me to the punch. If I saw you decked out in that elt, I'd kill myself out of not-worthiness.

Will

And I must add that this girl asked me out in 7th grade. I attract some winners!

I think short sleeves with pants are acceptable because it leaves a jacket option. Think about it: there is no jacket equivalent for the legs. And I think it has something to do with the flow of the attire...it just look right to have short sleeves with pants but not long sleeves with shorts.

On another note, there are no types of denim shorts that are acceptable. They are either too short (and therefore disgusting) or too long (and therefore disgusting). Denim shorts should be outlawed. And I still do not accept tucking shirts into shorts. I don't know why but it is just too Carlton for me.

I am not a fan of skinny ties. This may be because I love the 70s a lot more than the 80s, but I would prefer to have a tie that, if stiffened, I could use as a paddle than something that I could use to replace a shoe lace. Gene Rayburn and Richard Dawson's ties on "Match Game" are the perfect examples of my kind of tie.

Vests are odd...I like sweater vests but it takes a special kind to work. Tommy Hilfiger sweater vests are disgusting, but older sweater vests with owls or scenery on them are acceptable. 3-Piece-Suits are also extremely cool, and I am proud to own one (much like Richard Dawson's style).

I still want a long-sleeve navy shirt with white polka dots. Call me weird. Or gay. Or whatever.

And lastly, what is the deal with brown and black? I was always under the assumption that if your belt and shoes matched, you could mix the two (like brown belt and shoes with black pants and vice-versa). I guess this is wrong....

i have a sweater with an owl on it.....perched on a tree.

Jeans with cut-outs, ties, patterns down the side of the leg (a la L.A. Gear) are gross.

Digsy, you have to be very careful when mixing brown and black, but it can still be done tastefully. However, tan and black are fine together.

Personally, I love vests (sweater and non) and 3-piece suits, as long as they are men's and are worn with style. Women's vests are atrocious.

Someone should have explained that to DJ Tanner and Laura Winslow...

I pray to God that the late 80s/early 90s fashion is skipped. No one, and I mean no one, looked cool at that time. If you think you looked cool at that time, go find some pictures. You didn't. I didn't. No one did. The world looked horrible.

Yes, true. This is why I'm glad this time period coincided with my late elementary - middle school years, when no one looks back and finds themselves looking cool.

I always feel sorry for people who have to look back at senior/college pictures from that time period. They were supposed to look cool then, but it was impossible.

i was cool.....i had an ultimate warrior t-shirt.

Feh. I bet you had parachute pants too.

no.....my name's not heavy d.

I never forget a sweater vest.

i hate shorts in general. mainly because i have hairy, ugly chicken legs. i only wear them when playing basketball or swimming. i have a rad pair of red swimming trunks from the 60s. they have white trim, bodacious flowers, and you have to tie them with a string.

The only time I wear shorts is when I don't leave my home. If I were to wear them out, people would ask if I were wearing white tights (it's happened before)...plus, I don't like the looks of them. I own one pair of little shorts that I like because they look like the ones Audrey Hepburn wears in Sabrina.

(Edited by Sexy Sadie at 9:24 am on Apr. 1, 2003)

Me, too. I'm extremely fair skinned, and the only time last summer that I can remember wearing shorts was when I was at Disney World with TF and I think Six Flags, too. But, my white legs still get exposed, b/c I tend to wear skirts a lot (although most come past my knees, there is still a little bit of leg showing).

Shiny shirts and pleather pants are the 2 worst things out there today. And you always see old, fat "bar band" guys wearing that shit to look "hip". Shoot them in the face I say.

All I have to say to that is, "yuck".

And, I will add that I hate the silk, button up, oversized shirts that have comic book characters/superheros, classic rock musicians, etc... on them. Those are disgusting.

(Edited by Sexy Sadie at 1:10 pm on Apr. 1, 2003)

Yeah, I had to wear a skirt today for a presentation in one of my classes...I heard a few people laugh as I walked across campus. It might have something to do with my freakishly stick-like legs, too, I suppose.

(Edited by Sexy Sadie at 1:09 pm on Apr. 1, 2003)

a great fear of mine is that when i get older, i will start wearing the typical "older woman" pants that come up way too high, give a slight wedgy, and are skinny at the ankles. they're never long enough either. i don't really understand why women feel the need to wear such crappy pants......and broaches, i'm not a huge fan of broaches. yuck

I notice alot of old women wear those pants you were talking about with stockings underneath them, that or knee highs... with flat heel shoes... and a shirt that's tucked so far in... it's just like ahhhh I hope i never wear that. I vow that i will never weat that

(Edited by Genius Girl at 3:56 pm on Apr. 1, 2003)

me and my bestfriend brian are so anti shorts. men legs aren't hot whether they're skinny or not. and i only wear shorts around the house. i hate pleats (on men and women.) i hate seeing belt loops without a belt. belts and shoes should match unless you're wearing red shoes or something. i refuse to wear clothes with the brand names on them. no one's paying me to be a walking billboard and i don't work for free. i hate prints.

i do wear long sleeves (well, 3/4 length sleeves) with skirts. and i recently sported a black sweater with a red tie, no collar. and i rarely wear anything that doesn't match my hair.

~ssssss

these are three fashion essentials.

pleats are bad.
a shirt tucked in without a belt is very bad.

even worse is someone tucking a shirt into their pleated pants.....without a belt.

or someone wearing a pleated shirt tucked into their belt.

What's with wearing a sport jacket without a collar shirt under it? I'm not into that.

I'm against it if it is for a serious occasion (like a wedding or something), but just for kicks, a t-shirt is fine in my opinion. Heck, after watching Richard Dawson on Match Game, I've even been convinced that turtle-necks can be cool.