This past weekend, Brother Love and some of our constituents were in Nashville to get Shawarma-tized at Meditterean Cuisine (West End). After we finished our meal, we decided to make a stop at the nearby CD Warehouse. I was reading an article on Mission of Burma when I heard Brother Love sarcastically exclaim, "What the hell?". I turned to see him holding the latest issue of Vibe with Justin Timberlake on the cover, wearing an MC5 t-shirt under a nice mink coat. "What the hell?", indeed. Has it really come to this? I love the MC5 and to see someone like Justin Timberlake wearing one of their shirts...well, it just pissed me off. As BL said, does he even know who they are? I can't say that I've listened to a lot of his material, but I've heard enough of his/NSYNC's songs saturated on the radio and tv to know that the MC5 have not in any shape or form "influenced" Justin Timberlake. I wish somebody that mattered would call him on this shit. Where is Hard Copy or Access Hollywood when I need them? To this, I say fuck him and fuck his stupid image. Damn phony bitch.

Maybe he just liked the t-shirt.

But here's a more likely explanation: the photographer (or one of his assistants) picked out the MC5 shirt and told him to wear it.

I'm not sticking up for JT, even tho I like his music (or at least the 2 songs I've heard). I'm just saying that I don't think he woke up the day those photos were taken and said to himself, "I think I'll find an MC5 shirt to wear in the photoshoot today, so people will think I have good taste in music." You can't give him that much credit, man. I'd bet that Justin Timberlake has never even heard of MC5.

I think what upsets me the most is that somebody is going to see that magazine and think that he is cool for wearing the shirt. For some reason, it bothers me. Also, I agree with everything you said. I just hate how puppet-like these people are. It's to the point that they're doing stuff that they don't even realize. Case-in-point: JT irritated me though I am sure he did not intend to. It's all because somebody probably told him to wear it and he was like "ok dude". I just find all of these people to be silly and phony, which makes me dislike them.

Point taken.

It's just like when I see rap artists or ghetto kids on campus wearing a button-up ghetto-ized Wolverine shirt. I just want to ask them "Do you know his real name? Do you know how he got those claws? Heck what are those claws made of?" GEEZ!

JT needs to cut his strings (again) and realize that he can probably dress himself. There is no way that I would wear the shirt of a band that I didn't even know existed just because some photographer told me to. But then again, I'm not getting paid X million dollars to do so....

As IWantElvis would say "Don't even front."

I understand completely, Mr. Dawson. I would be mad, too. I got really mad when I saw one of the members of Destiny's Child, I believe it was, wearing a Hard Day's Night guitar strap. Of course, that's just one example among many that I can think of.

Oh, and the drummer from Dashboard Confessional (yuck) wearing a vintage Aladdin Sane shirt at the AmSouth Weezer concert last summer. It's makes me mad.

I don't really care if somebody did tell him to wear it. I can guess that he probably doesn't deserve to be in contact with it. And a child of destiny doesn't deserve to have a Beatles guitar strap either.

i'd have to say that anybody who actually knows who MC5 are would realize that timberlake is a wanker for wearing that shirt. by the same token, i'd have to say that anyone else would think MC5 was a machine gun or an explosive, so it wouldn't really matter all that much.

Doesn't deserve?! That's a bit pretentious and harsh, isn't it? It's clothes we're talking about here, ya'll. I just laugh about it and think, "it's their loss" if they haven't ever experienced ________.

Prententious and harsh? I don't know about that. Jealous...yes. I just don't particularly like that guy, and I think there are other people who would love to have, and would really appreciate, an extremely rare vintage David Bowie shirt but can't afford to get one like he can.

(Edited by Sexy Sadie at 7:00 pm on Feb. 19, 2003)

Not to defend Justin Timberlake, but the fact that he chose The Neptunes to produce him gives him a little credibility, at least as far as taste goes. Maybe, just maybe, he likes MC5.

THAT, my friend, is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE.

this shit makes me mad. i don't have anytihng to say that hasn't already been said about the topic. but i agree whole heartedly with yous guys.

i find that highly unlikely.....

i hate it when i see people wear shirts from bands that I know they dont like...they just wear it becuse it's trendy. he more than likely wore it because the photographer told him to wear it, and besides it's JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE that we're talking about here.

i agree with stalker, richard, and sadie....

funny...I just turned on American Idol to find that the host is wearing a
"God Save the Queen" shirt with what appears to be red paint or something splattered all over it. Just thought it was a little weird seeing this after I had just finished reading this thread.

i just tried to explain wolverine's back story to smee and she pretended to fall asleep. anyway, i was just wanting to let you know that that was the funniest thing i've read in a while. thanks.

a musician/entertainer/whatever can suck and still like good music.

What? What's so boring about a feral boy with bone claws born in the mid-1800s, kidnapped by the Canadian government and used for a Department K's adamantium bone-bonding process, having memory implants implanted, dumped in the Canadian wilderness, placed in the Weapon X program, joining the CIA, and becoming an X-Man? That's a great story! Toss in a lot of Asian girlfriends, a fling with Jean Grey, Magneto ripping his bones out through his pores, and you have an epic tale of love and loss.

If need be, I can go into Cable's history...it involves both clones and time travel! I really love being uncharacteristically immature for my age ...

(Edited by DigsySlattery at 10:22 pm on Feb. 19, 2003)

someday you will advance to big people bed covers...

That would involve going over all of the X-Cutioner's Song, the greatest comic crossover OF ALL TIME.

Wow. Where the hell did that come from?

Will

i really doubt it.
which is okay with me because as long as digsy has x-men stuff, there will always be something to do. positioning all those darned action figure dolls in compromising/hilarious positions is one of my favorite things to do. they just have so many flexible joints...it's amazing.

I don't think I totally agree with that. becasue since said entertainer DOES suck, then they probably DON'T listen to good music. think about it, what do you think Celine Dion listens to? Carson Daly? (I gaurantee he listens to this nu metal shit with lyrics written by a 12 yr old with a broken heart, a lot of distorion pedals and screaming about how much said nu metal singer wants to die) carsoin daly listens to that shit, and he thinks its original. and he thinks its cool. avril fuckeryerface doesn't even know who the sex pistols ARE. and as for the peole on american idol. i think thats self explanatory.
on the contrary, perry farell, jack and meg white, the elephany 6, they ALL listen to good music.

I tend to look at it the same way you do, Stalker. I'm sure there are many sucky musicians who like good music, but I would say a lot of sucky performers like sucky performers. I guess I'm just not a very optimistic person.

(Edited by Sexy Sadie at 12:53 am on Feb. 20, 2003)

I don't think that would be a good comparision, because Celine Dion is kind of her own person in a way, so her music (and age) sorta gives you an idea of what she listens to. But with *Nsync and Justin, they were so premade to fit that pop mold that you really don't know thier intrests and what kind of music they like since everything they do and everything they say is what they are told to say. So... maybe he does like whatever that group was.. I know it's not really my place to say since I have never heard them myself but is it really y'alls place to determine if he likes a band or not just because he's a pop star? Okay, sorry not meaning to defend him so much it just didn't seem fair. I don't know disregard everything I just said..

(Edited by rachel1808 at 1:38 am on Feb. 20, 2003)

My take on this matter is as follows:

The MC5 are cool.

Justin Timberlake is not cool.

Therefore, these two things should not mix.

exactly, brother love.

Exactly.

And so be it from henceforth that these, Features MB Members, are our gods, our paragons of virtue.


Here's a riddle for you: if I told you that there was this band, and they were never very big on the pop charts, and never on TRL. Their lead singer's favorite album is Loveless. They are really into albums like the White Album, Remain in Light, Loaded, and Ziggy Stardust, and cover things like that at their shows in addition to playing their own music. Would this be a "cool" band to you?

(Edited by jamiecarroll at 1:43 pm on Feb. 20, 2003)

I think there's more things in the world to be pissed about than this.

But, anyway, I think Carson Daly, while contributing to the demise of MTV with TRL, does like good music. He was an intern for KROQ for years and considers his greatess moment in his employment history unpackaging Nirvana's Nevermind and experiencing that record for the first time. The guy's not all bad (though he does hang out with Kid Rock), and his new show on NBC did allow Interpol to play three songs live on it. Not all bad.

alas, but it's the original material that matters. a band can cover as many songs as they like and have as many good influences as they like too, but if they don't expand upon those influences and create something fresh and exciting........

(Edited by ray davies at 9:10 am on Feb. 20, 2003)

this is true, BrianW.

Ah yes, I giggle just thinking about Strong Guy's oneliners during that crossover and the looks on all of the former New Mutants faces as they finally confront their former mentors, the X-Men, for the first time as the new X-Force. X-Cutioner's Song truly is one of the best X-Crossovers ever (better than all of the 90s stuff, but Dark Phoenix Saga and the Morlock Massacre are tied with it, or maybe better).

Hey, some people can talk about wrestling, I talk about X-Men. And I am counting the days until X2.

muahhahah! i wasn't pretending!

Geez, I miss one day on the message board and the snobbery gets out of control. I can't wait for some of you to start bands. Obviously they will be the best bands EVER because you have proven that your musical tastes can't be matched.

What is the answer Jamiecarroll?

Excuse me? And who are you again? Chill out. Nobody here has been calling any names or stupid baby shit like that and you just up and start calling people "snobs", like you're somebody important? If people have an opinion, let them bitch about it if they want. But, the least you can do is accept it and keep from reducing yourself to childish namecalling in the process.

(Edited by richarddawson at 12:43 pm on Feb. 20, 2003)

i think we're all straying from the original point, which of course was that justin timberlake is better than the mc5. y'all can go on and just cry me a river.
i don't understand what's so special about the mc5 anyway. i mean, they too were assembled by a former airline tycoon, and "kick out the jams" was written by an elite team of swedes.

the "teenage lust" remix timbaland did was off the chain.

The fact that you don't know who Keith is proves that any name-calling directed in your general direction is warranted. Don't fuck with Keith, man.

By the way, Keith, like myself, is rarely that serious about meaningless shit like this.

I have nothing to back this up.

besides, we need to get back to more important matters, like defining post-punk fashion.

Exactly.
Maybe the real point is that "Like I Love You" is fun to dance to, the origins of the video for "Cry Me a River" are fun to speculate about, Pharrell Williams knows his shit and looks damn cool in those mesh caps,
and lil' Justin looks way better with his shirt off on the Rolling Stone cover than in some MC5 shirt anyway.

...haha...and big people always worry about what justin timberlake is wearing...

this is a very good call. what can i say, im a prejudiced music snob with a capitol M.

may i also add that i realize this post is ridiculous, but if we worried about big things like war all the time instead of justin timberlake, i think we'd go mad. i know I would.

(Edited by stalker on skates at 11:38 pm on Feb. 20, 2003)

If a band has a ton of great influences like you say, then the music that they put out is AUTOMATICALLY gonna be good. According to the rest of your clones on this thread, if a band makes sucky music, then they CAN'T have good influences.

Or are you DISAGREEING with your commrades? No, that can't be it.

Is this what you had in mind, JC? Genious!

i think it's completely possible for a band to like good music and not be capable of making it themselves. (even though that's not usually the case)

and i don't get the whole "clones" thing. i guess those of us that are grouped together do often have alot of similar opinions. but we are friends, that's gonna happen. i didn't know anyone on this messageboard (save digsy and iwe) before joining. i met everyone else through the messageboard, so it's not like we joined as this one spectacular and amazing group of friends that planned on overwhelming the board with our mighty unanimous opinions and unfailing support of one another. i'm not going to change my opinions or posts in order to avoid this "clones" idea further, so i guess me getting used to it will be the solution. and i'm not insinuating that carl was specifically referring to myself, as i haven't even posted on this thread until now. just wanted to innocently let my thoughts be known on this topic, though i'm sure something will be quoted from this to cause conflict.

the following light-hearted smilies are to convey the friendly, non-bitchy tone that is present in this post:
.....really

afterall, it is only a messageboard.

and to quote one of my favorite mb members: "i have nothing to back this up."

No, let's keep this up. I'm on Keith's team. richarddawson, I'll see you under the Oak Tree immmediately after the next show, your ass is grass. Keith can't even be here to defend himself right now, jerk. thank you havesomesoma for quoting my quote. just for grins, thelawnwrangler gets an ass-kicking this weekend. MORE FIGHTS!

The answer to the riddle is, "No, this would not be a cool band to you. You would hate this band. Though you love the same music that they do, you would hate this band. Trust me."

Oh yeah, and that Timbaland remix was the shit. And JT does look great with his shirt off, except for those wierd little veins at his waist. What are those?

And Keith has quite a bit of experience to back up his words, Richard Dawson. In their lifetime, most musicians can hope to be in one truly amazing band, maybe two if you're Steve Winwood. But Keith has already been a part of three amazing bands, and he's not even two dozen years old yet.

(Edited by jamiecarroll at 6:10 am on Feb. 21, 2003)

Here are some excerpts from a New York Post article from a few days ago entitled "Evolution of the Hipster" that speaks to this highly contentious issue of undeniable import.

"Some fault the late Kurt Cobain for kick-starting the downfall of hip's essential initial insider-ism by delivering alternative culture to the masses with Nirvana's 1991 crossover smash. "Nevermind."
Others blame the Starbucks coffee chain for homogenizing funky café culture like so much skim milk.

But history may ultimately finger 31-year-old Williamsburg, Brooklyn, resident Robert Lanham for finally euthanizing the blood-drained body of the genuine hipsIn his just-published "The Hipster Handbook" (Anchor Books, $9.95), a thin but precise study, Lanham turns the hipster - traditionally defined as a man or a woman between the ages of 18 and 34 with a tendency to embrace obscure bands, indie films and used clothes - into a cultural cliché.

"The Hipster Handbook" treats its subject like an anthropogical study, separating the varieties of hipster into subgenus categories ("The Clubber," "The Schmoozer," "The Loner," "The Unemployed Trustfunder") and then breaks down their predilections, looks and areas of interest: "Loners are usually very pale and thin . . . [they] choose careers in programming, video editing and other technical skills. Loners know that a little self-loathing can be charming and use this to their full advantage, saying things like, 'This is the first time in three weeks I've gone out on a weekend; I'm so lame.' "

Some might say that hip is more alive than ever. After all, Justin Timberlake wore an MC5 T-shirt on the cover of a recent issue of Vibe magazine - an odd nod by a former Mousketeer to the underappreciated Detroit proto-punks, and one that reeks of a stylist advising the clueless Timberlake to wear the shirt for cred. "



So...which "Hipster" are you? I think I'm the quasi-ironic, proto-punk, post-post modern, mega-consumer, demi-god loner.

I'm the enthusiastic and obsessive, yet confused and insecure schmuck.

carl, carl, carl.....what you didnt figure was the fact that since i have expressed this opinion, now all my clones will follow along with the same mindset.....bwahahahahaha!

(secret clone code)

I sense a poll coming on...I wish it were in seventeen magazine quiz format, that would rule me.

For the record:

Human cloning is the work of the devil & if the Raelians have landed in middle TN, we've got to stop them

Keith is MY Keith and Jamie's Keith and could be yours, too, Richard, if you'd settle down and take things with a grain of salt. See havesomesoma's post for lessons on how to successfully and nicely deconstruct an opposing viewpoint.

Keith belongs to the world now, and we must all learn to let him go.

I'm trying to learn to relax more so stupid little stuff doesn't bother me any more.

I was simply making an attempt to defend my friends and myself for being called "snobs". I apologzie for the "feathers" that I have ruffled; but I felt it was the proper thing to do, because my friends were unjustly offended. As for Keith, I have seen him play bass and I do know who he is. I really am sorry for anyone that was offended by my comments. I will try to keep my thoughts to myself in the future, as to keep this kind of thing from happening again. I do ask that we stop arguing with each other. There seem to be particular factions on the messageboard, but that's no reason to sterotype an entire group of friends for having similar opinions. I really doubt that anyone here has any viable reasons to hate another person, so let's call it a truce and go on about our normal irrelevant conversations.

Where's the fun in that? Next you're gonna say something like, "We're all here because we love the Features and realize that they're the best band ever, so why can't we get along?"

but keith is important

Isn't Keith in like 300 bands? Or maybe more like 3-4?

actually (just for the record)
when i talked to jack white he gave me 4 bands to check out. 1 of them sucked.

I've got to say, 3 out of 4 ain't too shabby. Most people give me 4 bands to listen to, at least 2 of them suck.

Will

i think this whole 'bad musicians/entertainers/whatever can't listen to good music is bullshit.' i've had lots of conversations with musicians (like real conversations and not 'ohmygod! i love your band. can i have your autograph?' stuff) and i must say that i've been disappointed by some really good & hot band members. and i've talked to alot of people in bad bands that listen to really great music. for instance, recently it was burleigh from okGo.

fyi: maxwell loves the smashing pumpkins. is that ok with everyone?

contrary to popular belief, being hott does not make someone a cool person.

And I love Maxwell.

i'm not saying being hot makes someone a cool person. i'm saying i only attempt to hook up with the hot guys.

carligula knows i have issues with this. i broke up with my exboyfriend because his favourite band was incubus. he was a great guy (almost...meaning aside from the music) all around and damn, he was hot. i'd even go out on a limb and say he's the hottest guy in murfreesboro. but i knew it was over when he asked me to go to buzzfest with him. carligula thought this was shallow of me. and i asked, what would've been more shallow? me breaking up with a guy because he listens to bad music or me staying with a guy only because he's hot?

(Edited by sinasugarsick at 11:05 am on Feb. 22, 2003)

me, too. he's my barry white, my al green.

but you can't hear any pumpkins influences in his music so doesn't that mean he's not allowed to like them? i missed out on 'bands other people can and cannot like 101' i hear it's only taught at mtsu.

A conuundrum wrapped in an enigma

yeah, it's taught by John Dougan, a writer for All Music Guide.

Damn Recording Industry classes, they're the fruits of the devil.....

(Edited by ray davies at 11:26 am on Feb. 22, 2003)

Wow, I can't believe I stirred up shit on the message board. The news reached me as far East as Johnson City and I haven't been able to wait to post ever since I heard the other day. Anyway, to RichardDawson: Sorry to offend. My comments weren't even directed at you. I think it was stalker on skates that first said a bad performer can't listen to good music. And then I think Brother Love who said something like Justin Timberlake is bad, MC5 is good, they therefore shouldn't mix. Those were the comments I was taking issue with. Sorry I didn't make that more clear. Obviously bands are affected by their influences, but that is only a piece of the puzzle. I know plenty of people who listen to good music, but their bands are shitty. That doesn't mean I will rip a Radiohead shirt off of them if I saw them wearing one.

Also, I don't really mean to offend with the term "music snob." Most music snobs realize that they are. I have three roommates (that most of you probably know) that I love, but they'll all tell you that they are the biggest music snobs around. Stalker on Skates admitted it a few posts back too, I believe.

To my supporters, I love you guys and it's nice to know so many people have my back around here when I have to be gone for a few days.

Ok, I have to catch up on like 1000 other posts now. Peace.

But you hate Radiohead. I don't get it. Snob.

There are plenty of people in bands who listen to other artists, and actually buy their music, but they sing/write the exact opposite of what kind of music they listen too. Not saying that J-Timberlake bought anything by MC5.. I dunno...

I used to listen to MC hammer when I was what like 8 or something I could rock a MC hammer shirt tommorrow.. it's just clothing. I think people read into clothing too much, you know those people who say people who wear balck are depressed and people who were pastels are yadi yadablah blah blah.. it's something to cover your ass is what I say.. I don't care what anyone wears, you can't make anyone take something off, even if its, offensive.

Unless you're wearing Dr. Denton's feeted jammies with the drop-fly-booty-drawers with a busted button. Then technically your ass is not covered.

What made you think of that lol!

I wish I had an MC Hammer shirt. The only T I have left from growing up is Beavis and Butthead.

I like the disclaimer Keith, but you must accept the fact that you are one of the most offensive people in the world. ever.

very good call.

sorry, my cat sent that message to early. so . . .

very good call. as rob gordon said, "its not so much what you are like as what you like". i agree wholeheartedly.