lying sucks

(Edited by FlyingFeaturesFan at 8:36 pm on Jul. 13, 2003)

Well, that's a hasty generalization.

sorry I just kind of needed to say (or type) that, but it does suck in most cases, like when you get two different stories from two people who you dont trust too much, I dont really know why I posted this, everyone can just ignoe this post

I'm a glutton for the truth, even though truth hurts. Iriscience said that, and I agree with him. Truth is the highest of high, and I want it all around me all of the time. I want it in my heart and in my mind.

Lying does suck, FFF. I'm sorry that someone lied to you. Lying is selfish.

(Edited by jamiecarroll at 6:50 pm on Jul. 8, 2003)

for real

i hate liars and i don't understand the point of lying.

What if you are lying for the sole reason of sparing someone else's feelings?

Is this too emo?

Everyone lies. Everyone lies to themeselves everyday. We're all living in our own fantasy world.

Now that's emo.

I don't really mind liars.. even if it is done with malice, it kind of gives me a challenge. You know, keeping my guard up while trying to figure out who's being sincere and who isn't. Honestly, I'm not sure what I would do if people didn't lie. It would make things much easier.. maybe TOO easy.

Or what if you're lying for the sole reason of getting some ass? That's okay, right?

Yeah, I think that's selfish. It's selfish because when someone does that, they simply don't want to have to deal with the reaction that the truth would bring. They want to spare someone's feelings because it's easier to be around a happy person.

Always Carl, always.

(Edited by richarddawson at 5:02 pm on Jul. 9, 2003)

This is the dumbest thread i've ever seen on this board.

I mean, does anybody actually like liars/lying?

lying has its merit. i mean, when your parents ask you if you're doing drugs, its best to lie (if the answer is yes anyway) or when a cop asks why you were speeding . . .

but i assume the kind of lying FFF is referring to is about the relationship factor.
and that FFF IS a bad kind of lying. im sorry someone is lying to you and/ or hurting you. hope all gets better soon.

ps yes this thread does lean toward the emo.

If you'd actually read the thread, you'd see that myself, weenysmack, and DickieD all think there's a time and place for lying. Keep up, dude.

maybe if you had a REAL reason to not trust me, or a REAL reason to trust him at all, i would feel bad.....but you don't, so i don't

I remember you! How old are you guys again?

The only time I lie to someone is when they want me to. I've honestly had friends say that they wanted me to tell them they looked nice before they went out on their dates or whatever. They didn't really care about my honest opinion; they just wanted to feel good about themselves. I've never quite seen why they wanted my "opinion" in the first place, if they knew that I could or could not be lying about it. I think that I would rather someone just keep their mouth shut about the way I look.

Oooooooooooohhhhhhhh! Slam!

These sound like Matthew Sweet lyrics. No specifics...just pronouns and infidelity.

(Edited by jamiecarroll at 4:08 pm on Jul. 10, 2003)

he was talking about me, i believe.

honestly, do you deserve a reason? after all the hell you put me through, would trust someone that had done that to you? you lied about all the reasons for breaking up, you could have just told the truth and I would be fine right now, but beacause of you lying the past 2 1/2 month have been hell. is that reason enough? do you just expect for you to call back and apologize and everything to be fine?

There's this thing called private messaging, kids. Look into it.

There's also this thing called private massaging. I intend to look into that myself.

Nice one, Carl.

What I want to know how she conviently starts posting again when this thread is up. Had she been reading all along? Does Duckie have spies on FFF that told her to check it out?...

This is some super-cool drama. I was worried that I'd be bored when Dawson's Creek went off the air, but this is even better! "I don't wanna wait/For our lives to be over..."

Does anyone ever really want you to lie to them? If I ask someone, "How do I look?", I want to know. If the answer is, "Horrible," I want to be able to fix it before I go out.

McDonald's drive thru windows are good for that.

ive given this some thought. when someone asks how they look, and they look bad, you dont lie, and you dont say "horrible;" you say, "what about that great white blazer you have, is it clean? it would look better with those jeans. and wear your red pumps and red lipstick. thats my favorite outfit of yours." -or something relevant to their wardrobe.

when it comes to everything else, lying sucks unless it is a joke/surprise/jackass skit.

i don't need spies. i know that "FFF" doesn't know how to just say how he feels to anyone in real life so he comes here to hide in the security of an unknown screen name. therefore, it was fairly obvious to me that if i wanted to see what he was saying about me behind my back, all i had to do was look on here. i suppose it wasn't too bright on his part to post on a board that i belong to.

i agree. but i also dont have a problem with lying to people you dont know if its beneficial and not hurting anyone.

Yes. They have told me, "Just tell me I look good." You know one person of whom I speak. The name shall be kept secret.

But, if you asked me how you looked, I would say, "Damn, you're hot," because that's usually the response that pops into my head. If you happened to look less handsome than usual one day, I would tell you so, because I know you want to hear the honest truth. The truth is the answer I would rather give anyway.

Now, tell me. How do I look in this outfit?

I thought you said you weren't going to post here anymore.

first of all, some of us, including myself, have met FFF, and he seems cool to me. Your comment offends me because it's meant to hurt someone's feelings. Secondly, there was never an indication in his post that he was talking about you or whoever the other person was. You are the one that came on here and assumed you were the one "being talked about." That's your own fault for being so cynical. Lastly, you don't post here at all unless it has something to do with your personal life. Stop being a drama queen.

(Edited by deathscythe257 at 3:20 pm on Jul. 11, 2003)

first of all, my comment was not meant to hurt anyone's feelings. secondly, i knew what the post was about, and yes it was me. i have talked to him since that post on the phone and online. i know exactly what it was about, whereas you do not. i have argued with him endlessly about things that were discussed in that post. lastly, if you want to know who the drama queen is, go talk to your dear little FFF.

I thought you said you weren't going to post here anymore.

Man, this is fuckin great! I officially take back what I said about this being the dumbest thread I've ever seen. (Seriously). Keep it up! There's no drama in my life so i'll enjoy what of it there is here.

I know! It's great! I liked the part where she said, "i know that 'FFF' doesn't know how to just say how he feels to anyone in real life so he comes here to hide in the security of an unknown screen name," and then pretended that she didn't think that would hurt anyone's feelings.

You should just be grateful for something to read in the drought of topics. Dont look a gift horse in the mouth. Err.. or something like that. Proverbs arent my schtick.

One step closer to the message board version of Days of Our Lives!

actually i prefer "all my children" and "passions" but whatever

i wasn't, but then my attention was brought to this thread. it honestly doesn't matter or concern you.

If it doesn't concern him, why are you continuing the public discussion? And I don't think that fff was hiding when he sought solace in the message board. If anything, he was painfully open about his identity & personal life.

this makes the second hread today i have felt retarded after reading. its like reading a mb soap opera. get a life people! its called a telephone! or you can be like john cusak and stand out in front of her room playing your song as loud as you can!!!

that makes this the second post today that ive understood thanks to "i love the 80s".

I like watching that show, it gives me something to do while I'm bored

That show is beginning to be the devil. That's all they ever show. I, for one, cannot wait until "I Love the 70s" premiers in August.

I'll get a bigger kick out of "I Love the 90s."

i like the show. i enjoy the footage of 80's stuff (a 1989 news report on ninja turtles with shots of kids playing with the action figures=amazing) , but i don't enjoy watching c-list comedians/actors try to be funny every 2 seconds. these guys are given great material to make fun of and they just suck at it. the show is the epitome of what vh1 has become in the past 5 years - a channel in constant retrospective. i'm not complaining, but i am getting a little tired of the "best ____ of all time" countdowns. ooooooh, and here comes the "200 greatest pop culture icons".
i particularly enjoy the interviews in these countdowns where people discuss their fondness for madonna.
"she was great, you know, she was just doin' her thing so...so i got love for madonna."

i'll bet you 5 million dollars "i love the 90's" premieres by the end of the year.

well well well

Look, most of us rather like FFF, so you're not going to sway our opinions of him by coming on here. If anything, you forge a greater respect for the man for putting up with you.

i'm not trying to sway your opinions. i don't honestly care what you think

Well, if anything's certain, I think it's that none of us would be in favor of FFF and Duckie 'working things out.' I'm just keeping with the soap opera spirit here...neither of you need feel offended by that, I'm just a detached viewer. And speaking of which soap opera this MB should be, can we be the one with the midget?

Timmy... RIP

poor timmy....i miss him

O.K. ya'll, after reading the other thread dealing with this issue I gotta admit i'm feeling pretty bad about this whole thing, I mean its obvious this dude is having a tough time, and I agree that this isn't the best place to vent, but man, looks like there is some deep wounds here....FFF, i'll buy you a nice strong drink at the 12th and Porter show. Introduce yourself to me......If I was in your spot I would become a drunk. Some people think I already am.

Oh yeah, and listen to Wilco "Being There". The best wistful/melancholy record I know of. And some old George Jones. And read Fitzgerald.

ps You guys better enjoy my moment of emo because you won't see it too often. Neuboy is going to make fun of me for this....

I'm ony 16 sorry, and I dont drink, but thanks for the offer anyways, but i will be at the 12th and Porter show

um

the boy is like 15 or something.

you'd have to be a complete dumbass for becoming a drunk because some girl broke your heart at 15.

and after reading about all of this bullshit, i take none of it seriously. the kid needs to go play a couple of super ninetendo games and get the fuck over it.

besides that, this duckie chick is fucking stupid.

Oh damn, FFF I could get arrested for even offering to buy you liquor. Never too early to start on your drinking problem, though.

I feel like an idiot now. I thought this was some serious shit with a longterm relationship (or and engagement) going down the tubes, cheating with best friends, with living situations getting fucked up and the old "what do we do with the pets" argument, having to split up belongings and give stuff back. re-adjusting to living/being alone. losing friends over it...

Look kids, a teen romance ain't nothin. you'll look back on this five years from now and cringe with embarrassment. Its cold comfort but its the truth.

i completely agree. that's been my point all along. he's making it a huge deal and trying to look like some innocent little victim and make me look like a cruel heartless bitch. he needs to get over himself and move on.

i think you're the only one who has understood any of this....because there's nothing to really understand. it's not some big thing. we dated for 10 months, it's over, time to move on. everyone else, especially FFF is making it a huge deal and pissing me off. thank you for realizing that it's completely retarded.

about me being fucking stupid....i would have to say that you would most likely change your mind about that if you were to hang out with me once. of course, that will never happen, so really, i suppose i don't care what you think.

how conceited. you should know, Sina doesn't change her mind. And she's always right.

is is the only postI'm going to post about this and if anybody says and I wont respond to any posts after this. the reaon i posted all of these "issues" is because it wa my way of just getting it out of me. and yes i have met some of yall and I'm not trying to hide behide is secure name or anything, I guess I was just looking for advice for people. about the whole wanting sympathy thing, I dont care about sympathy. and about this whole drama queen buisness, I coulndt care less if anyon thinks I'm a draqma queen, but you do a have to look at who has been posting more and complaining more about it between me and her. so I guess I'm sayin, that all of this is childish and stupid to argu about because the arguement will never end.

from your spelling i'd venture a guess that you're drunk...

yeah right. the day he gets drunk, sina will be nice

And you'll shut the fuck up.

Duckie...Just let me give you a piece of advice. Stop associating yourself with "not caring what people think" on this messageboard. OK? Your track record is insanely horrible on here, and I really wish I could read a few posts about how you like The Features or something...I know I don't stand alone here. So, if you're going to respond to anymore posts about your relationships or how you don't care what people think or how Sina is mean, post something in the General Forum. You know, the one that talks about the band this messageboard is supporting. That is all.

This is me making fun of Roadie.

Then don't accept any ice tea, cough syrup, or "special" coke from any of us that night.

What's a draqma queen? Isn't a drachma some kind of currency?

my keyboard was messing up while writting all of that, that is why everything is so badly spelt

i was going to PM FFF about all this, but it doean't seem like anyone else is bothering to do so, so why not.

I for one, understand posting weird ass personal shit on the board as a way of venting and do not hold it against you for trying to feel better by telling your fellow features fans about it.

my advice - no matter how many people tell you high school relationships are stupid, it is not easier to get over. when you care for someone, that's all that matters, regardless of age or seriousness of relationship. so don't feel dumb for the way that you feel bc its totally normal.

its never to early to start drinking.

unfortunately the only solace that i can grant you, my friend, is that it is pretty much in agreement here that this duckie chick is lame. and its always nice to know that other people are on your side.

and even if you weren't looking for sympathy, you have some from me. my emo heart goes out to you. breaking up fucking sucks. hope you feel better soon.

Hey, man, you have nothing to apologize about. I will go on record as agreeing with everyone else about "teenage" relationships - five years from now, you'll look back and laugh, and think the whole thing was silly. BUT...at the time that you're going through it, it hurts just as badly as a 41 year old man going through a divorce. So don't let anyone tell you you're silly for crying over it. I think that "venting" about it on the message board is a fine idea. Anything that helps you deal with the situation is good.

And whatever you do, stay away from this girl. Just cut off all communication and let her spend her time hurting someone else. I know she's like 15 and doesn't care what anyone here thinks about her, but between you and me, I think you could do a lot better.

(Edited by jamiecarroll at 5:41 pm on Jul. 13, 2003)

Man, I hate spelt. My husband buys spelt bread and it tastes like cardboard. What happened to good old whole wheat?

Hey, don't listen to me. Listen to jamiecarrol. He is by far the wisest guy I know and the most caring.

I wasn't saying you're stupid for being upset, I was in love my senior year in high school and haven't been since. i was just saying that 5 years from now you really will be embarrased by all the anguish and stress put into this. Thats how I feel about those high school things so its hard for people like me (who have friends getting married/divorced, engaged/unengaged...real world stuff) to relate to a high school thing.

i actually am dreading the "I Love The '70s." For one, I'm a whore for anything '80s, and for another, it has a high propensity to just be more of the same and rather bland.

FFF, when your heart has been broken, no matter how young or old you are, it's going to hurt.

The hurt will be a little less every day, but it will take some time before you feel like your good old self again. All you can do to get through is lean on your friends and let yourself heal.

It's very hard to see any good to take away from a failed relationship, but at least you've probably learned some things from going through it and can put that wisdom towards making your next relationship better.

Chin up!

I've always said that after a failed relationship I learn a lot about the type of person I DON'T want to date. I'd like to say that I learn what I do wrong in a relationship, but I'm never wrong so that doesn't matter. Mainly I just learn about people I dislike.