so... ive recently been dumped and instead of wallowing in my sorrow, i want to listen to some tunes like: "fuck you , etc". we all know we've been there, and while I'm succeeding WONDERFULLY so far () i need some new records.

im talking about good break up songs that make you feel strong like "I will survive" as opposed to say, dashboard confessional.

any suggestions?

outtasight, outtmind-wilco
song for the dumped-bff

whenever i used to dump my exboyfriend i would kick it jr. high and play babes in toyland's fontanelle.

"you know who you are????
you're dead meat motherfucker
you don't try to rape a goddess"

okay...i don't wanna get lynched here...but my favorite heartbreak/break up music consists of both fiona apple cd's (it's a guilty pleasure of mine)

girlfriend is wrong but i love her...and she repaqirs the damage good...

WHAT IS UP

michigan boys are not on point
fo rizzle

why is fiona apple all around me? is she a leo?
"i never promised the world... i just wanted you"
was jason von bondies (his real name is jason stollilskjflaskdjfer) just feeding me some fiona apple lines?

or
"i'm a romantic that isn't hopeless anymore"

which is your favourite?
is he for real?

Maybe you could listen to some Tantric, Our Lady Peace or some Filter or soem Ours those groups can get me pumped up in different ways.

i do like our lady peace, and i love fiona apple. so there. all good suggestions. thanks.

For my money, Smashing Pumpkins have some great material for this emotion...

Will

liz phair is always good. violent femmes are always good as well...

filter stayed at the holidome in murfreesboro when they opened for white zombie some years ago.
wait, that's not something i want to talk about. nevermind.

ooooh, good call.

Agreed!

also being the geek that i am, i listen to a lot of fleetwood mac.....

good call. i haven't listend to SP in a wihle; maybe its time to do so.

I'm in agreement with the smashing pumpkins!

As a person who has recently been dumped, I'll second the Violent Femmes. I mean if it's good enough for Angela Chase in My So-Called Life, then it's good enough for me. I also like The Smiths because many of their songs mention crying or dying or both. And of course Mr. Costello, especially "Lipstick Vogue" or if I really liked them and am feeling a little unstable "I Want You".

SOS and IWE, sorry to hear you ladies got dumped...

My only recommendation: MxPx!!! If you've never listened to them, you're cheating yourself of the most positive pop-punk music on the face of the planet. While it helps if you're down with Christ and stuff, it's not necessary to be very religious to get their meaning. Most of their stuff is simply "Yeah, you got dumped, that shit happens, go out there and do something to make your life better again". This band has helped me through some very, very difficult times the last couple of years. I'd say that their most accessible and relevant CD is The Ever Passing Moment. Trust me.

this is a good call. i have owned this record for along time and haven't listend to it a lot. i'll check it out. thanks yo.

oh and I want elvis, the BEST costello break-up song is "It's time" from all this useless beauty. watch out though, bc if you don't put the song on repeat then "I want to vanish" will come on next and promote you to slit your wrists.

(of course, you probbaly know this already )

So true, so true... maybe one day Elvis Costello will have to go to court just like Ozzy and Judas Priest did for influencing kids to off themselves.

i think morrissey would be a better candidate for being sued in court over kids offing themselves to his music. "i know it's over" is just borderline suicidal.

I love Morrissey, but I can only listen to him or the smiths when I'm really sad or just in a weird mood. I think his music is great to listen to when you've been dumped. Too bad I didn't own any of his cds a few years ago.

I don't understand...why are people always "talking shit" about Fiona Apple...and why are those who do like her music ashamed of it???? I love Fiona Apple. I went through a phase a few years ago after I bought When the Pawn and listened to it practically nonstop even after it started skipping. I still love it (Tidal is good, too).

I would just like to say... I love Fiona Apple's music, and I'm not ashamed of it.

Could somebody please explain to me why she is looked down upon? (and preferably somebody who has some perspective on the subject and whose argument will not solely consist of "I fucking hate her")

(Edited by Sexy Sadie at 9:42 pm on Dec. 2, 2002)

I can only guess that it's because she came out in the 1997 Female Empowerment Lilith Palooza movement and is instantly categorized with Meredith Brooks and Paula Cole etc. I do agree that she is credible and a good artist (that I don't listen to, but still...). "Fast As You Can" and "Criminal" are songs that I still like.

i, too, enjoy fionna apple. i got "when the pawn..." when it first came out but have just lately been listening to it...alot. i love "love ridden" and "paper bag." i don't have "tidal" but i do enjoy the songs i've heard from it. i'm making the same assumptions as digsy as to why people are afraid to say they like her. but i will no longer be afraid...

I love Fiona Apple. I have loved her from the first time I heard "Sleep to Dream" on the radio back in the day. Both of her albums are great, in my opinion.

I think that people hate Fiona Apple for some combination of the following four reasons:

1) the "Criminal" video

2) she's an outspoken vegan

3) she quotes Maya Angelou a lot

4) the speech that she made after winning best new artist at the '97 MTV Video Music Awards (and the catfight with Janeane Garofalo that ensued)

(Edited by jamiecarroll at 7:58 am on Dec. 3, 2002)

I think both of her albums are great too. She just comes across as such an idiot in person (cussing out sound guys on stage, saying weird and stupid things at various award shows, extensive Maya Angelou quoting as JC said, etc) that it almost overshadows her music at times. The fact that she was a teenager on Top 40 radio doesn't help either. I get slightly embarassed to admit I like her sometimes, but the music is really good. Any word on a new album ever?

she's a great song writer, she's got a great voice

it was the vma incident that did it for me.

That's funny, that's the only reason I liked Fiona Apple.

We would always watch MTV during our lunch hour in college in hopes of seeing this video. Then they replaced it with some chick with pigtails in a catholic school girl outfit asking to be "hit". The rest is history...

it seems to me that people are not ashamed to like fionna apple's music but instead they are ashamed becasue they don't like her as a person, from what they know of her, or see of her on TV. i love her music. her lyrics are really good.

I know, I liked it too, Carl. But we're not women.

I liked the video too, and I'm a girl. As a skinny girl it sucked that everyone was calling her anorexic and shit. Can't a girl just be thin?? I like her music even though I only have Tidal. She's okay with me.

(Edited by iwantelvis at 12:47 pm on Dec. 3, 2002)

as a "fat" girl, by society's standards, no. girls are not allowed to be thin in my presence.

im just kidding. but she is really teeny tiny. my problem is not that she is small, but that america has idealized her size as the ideal - an ideal that is impossible for womyn to duplicate which is why there are so many eating disorders.

and the fact that she was writhing around in her underwear in the video is (possibly unintentionally) equating sexy with being heroin thin, which just exacerbates the problem.

I agree completely, SOS, society should not set one standard of beauty. It's impossible to live up to any of those things, no matter what size you are.

Everyone is meant to be freaking different, and everyone likes something different, if those weren't the facts then it would be just fuckign boring!

my thoughts exactly, iwantelvis. some people cant help the fact that they're thin. they're just made that way....

Yes, I feel the same way.

I remember Fiona was voted one of the sexiest female artists (or maybe it was the Criminal video for sexiest video??) on that show that was briefly aired on VH1, The List. Did any of you ever watch that show?

I used to like watching it even though I hated it. Almost everything they voted for made me sick. And there was always the token feminist that had to pick all Alanis Morisette, Aretha Franklin, and Janis Joplin shit (I don't mean to offend anyone) no matter what the topic.

i likes that show. one time though there was a girl from 7th heaven and she kept voting for Nsync songs. then she knocked a tom waits song off the list bc "she'd never heard of it" that pissed me off.

The List is another cool VH1 show that has since been axed. I enjoyed watching it...I remember when Hootie was on there and there was at least 6 REM albums in all of their collective top 3 choices. It was nice being able to see celebrity music taste...I miss it.

I Loved the List, but I would always be very angry by the time it went off everyday. some of the people on the show would make some of the stupidest choices.....

I liked The List for the first couple of months, but they ran out of good topics real quick. Once it became, "Top 3 Black Hair Metal Singers with the Middle Name James," I started losing interest.

For the most part, I like Fiona Apple's music. For the most part, I do not like Fiona Apple.

good call. i wish they would bring it back. is rock and roll jeopardy still on? I haven't seen it in a long time. i dug that show, too.

speaking of good VH1 shows, did anyone see the monkeys behind the music? now THAT is a show I can't get enough of. even if its on an artist who i don't dig, its still entertaining to watch.

Last I checked, it comes on the glorious Game Show Network on weekend mornings.

i'll tell ya what NOT to listen to.. color blind by the counting crows. its soo depressing.. but it's addictive. ive recently been sucked in and i cant take it off repeat. but whew.. talk about wanting to slit your wrists.-- does that phrase make anyone else cringe?

when the list did "best love songs of all time" one woman picked "god only knows" and the rest of the guests, host, and audience all laughed at her. now what the hell happened to "cover wars"?

That show was truly hilarious. Wasn't it hosted by Paul Shaffer? Man, that was one of the shortest-lived shows ever. How about the people in those bands? Talk about some chaches! Oh VH1, you and your crazy shows!

i love the counting crows with all of my heart. adam and i are getting married, lesbian or no, and that's about all there is to it.
if you REALLY wanna bring your spirits down check out the first disk of across a wire and raining in baltimore.

For me, disc one of across a wire has one of the greatest case studies in fame. Listen to the original Mr. Jones... literally a more direct song about wanting fame very badly could not be made.

Then listen to Mr. Jones on Across a Wire. Could a more relevant statement about how fame sucks be made? Such an incredible change to a song's meaning made by such a few subtle differences.

Will

good call.