Ok, so I know we have quite a few Lost nerds on this board. Here's where we discuss.

So the new season kicked off tonight, and it fucking rocked. Despite going into Jack's backstory, which is usually guanranteed to bore, we finally got a look into The Hatch and its inhabitant. We still don't know what's going on with the raft and The Others, but we saw Walt, or at least a vision of Walt, speaking jibberish to Shannon. We got continued friction between Jack (the practical one) and Locke (the mystical one).

So what do you guys think...

Is Locke evil?
How did Hatch Dude manage to also be in Jack's backstory?
What's his deal?
What's the deal with Walt?
What's the deal with the other raftees?
What's the deal with The Others?
What's the deal with Rousseau?
What's the deal with "the monster?"
What's the deal with the Island in general?
When is Kate finally going to fuck Sawyer and/or Jack?
Do we really need to relive the Charlie on Heroin story?
Etc...

I have some theories, but you guys go first.

ok ok i am still in the middle of the first season but i plan on having alot to say when im finished. IM OBSESSED WITH LOST!

Count me as one of those Lost nerds.

1. Eventually, yes.
2. I have no idea. I can't wait to find out.
3. I think what we saw was Walt's ghost?
4. At least some of them will re-appear. They have to.
5. I think the people on that renegade boat are the Others. We'll see them again.
6. Not crazy.
7. I think it's controlled by that 80s computer down in the hatch.
8. This is what I will ponder day and night, apparently.
9. Yes. I'm predicting Jack.
10. ???

I'll probably type more later. I'm off to work.

I am a new convert. I am obsessed. The trouble is, I've only seen last night's episode and the final episode of Season 1. The Walt image gave me nightmares.

If some kind soul has the Lost Season 1 DVDs and would like to let me borrow them, I will make you cookies. Neuboy is "above" Lost and refuses to Netflix the DVDs for me.

Lauren, I have the Lost DVDs and I'd be willing to share, but probably only a couple at a time. Just give me a call. I would have recommended you watched the entire Season 1 before jumping in, but too late now I guess. And we get it, Neuboy, you're too cool for everything.

Can Amy and I have dibs for Thanksgiving break?

Dammit, keith, I was going to start a Lost thread on carligula.com.

***Don't read this if you still need to catch up on Season 1***

1. I don't think Locke is "evil" per se, but I think he defnitely has an agenda, and he's not going to let morals stand in the way.

2. Walt obviously has some special powers. I think maybe The Others are harnessing it in some way.

3. I think Rousseau is sane, but probably going to die at some point this season. Not a spoiler, just a guess.

4. Rousseau called "the monster" a "security system." I believe it is an invisible machine made to keep people off the island that shouldn't be there. Notice, it hasn't attacked any important characters. It really only attacked the pilot once it was realized he was alive. The pilot wasn't supposed to be there, and once he came to life, that triggered "the security system" and he was quickly killed.

5. Obviously I don't know what the deal is with The Island. The "they're all dead" theory would make sense, but that is such a copout and I hope the writers are above that.

6. I think Kate will get it on with Sawyer, if anyone.

7. JC, you may have missed the fact that Charlie was addicted to heroin during the first several episodes. Locke helped him kick the habit, but they discovered more heroin on the plane Boone died in and Charlie took some with him. He was also acting pretty pissy in the season 2 premiere.

(Edited by Keith at 12:12 pm on Sep. 22, 2005)

You can borrow them if they stay in Nashville.

Carligula.com still exists?

I've been way too excited for this premiere. After the fall of "Angel" and "Buffy," "Lost" rightfully steps in to fill the void of intellectually stimulating/themeatically rich television fare. Too bad "Alias" fell flat last year.

Anywho.

Is Locke evil?
No, he's just the polar opposite of Jack. I love the faith/science angle their relationship has and I also love how the favor seems to be swinging towards Locke. Really, one of the most complex and interesting relationships on the show.

How did Hatch Dude manage to also be in Jack's backstory?
I was pretty bummed about Hatch Dude being the guy in Jack's story. I was hoping, due to the furniture, records, songs, etc, that he was some crazy guy who had been trapped down there for 30+ years. Instead, he's probably only been down there for 5 or so...although the hatch itself could very well have been around for 30 and had inhabitants that far back as well.

What's his deal?
He has to be some sort of operative.

What's the deal with Walt?
Walt's a straight up mutant psychic. The directing last night, that scene in particular, was absolutely amazing. Jack Bender did a superb job. He, really, topped Emmy award winning J. J. Abrams with last night. Great look.

What's the deal with the other raftees?
Well, it's obvious none of them are dead but...well...I don't know...

What's the deal with The Others?
Crazy hillbillies?

What's the deal with Rousseau?
I'm still in the dark about what to think about the Others and Rousseau. There are too many questions and now with Hatch Dude in the mix, I can't piece it all together. Ethan Rom was her son though, right? Everyone think that?

What's the deal with "the monster?"
I'm for the security system angle, but it has to be somewhat mystical in origin. Black smoke and whatnot. And Locke didn't look too scared when he saw it in "Walkabout."

What's the deal with the Island in general?
I don't know, but it had better not be purgatory. I don't expect that it'll be any of the theories. These writers, a couple from "Buffy" and "Angel" (Emmy nominated David Fury among them), are capable of throwing complete curve balls and, if we did guess it, I bet they'd change it just to keep the surprise.

When is Kate finally going to fuck Sawyer and/or Jack?
Man, after last night, I wouldn't be surprised if she gets it on with Locke.

Do we really need to relive the Charlie on Heroin story?
We don't, but we will.


Cannot wait until next week. I'd like to have a "Lost" athon.

Rousseau and Ethan obviously have some sort of connection, but it wouldn't make sense to me that he's her son. First, the age difference seems too close. Second, the whole point of Rousseau trying to get Claire's baby (via Ethan) seems to be moot if her kid is (was) still alive.

I'm not convinced the "monster" and the black smoke are the same entity. And Locke's not scared of anything. He trusts the island.

I'll have to think more about Ethan/Rousseau.

(Edited by Keith at 4:14 pm on Sep. 22, 2005)

I'm too lazy to quote. Thoughts:

-Ah, yes, now I remember the heroin thing. At least I remember the episode where he finds a bunch of it in that crashed plane and there are flashbacks, etc. So yeah. I think that storyline's done.

-The Black Smoke has to do with the Others, not the Monster, if I remember correctly. I still say the Others are (or at least are in league with) the people on that boat who took Walt.

-I was thinking the guy in the hatch might be Rousseau's husband, but then when I had a good look at him, the age didn't seem right. And the age doesn't seem right for him to be her son either.

-After thinking more about it, I think that Locke will turn evil, but then eventually turn good again.

-Digsy, what makes you think the guy has only been down in the hatch 5 years? Like you said, the items in the hatch date it at 15-25 years. Obviously he had an encounter with Jack not too long ago. Did he replace someone else in the hatch? Or did he just stock it with exclusively vintage stuff?

-ETC, you should totally join our Lost group!

-So this is weird for me being hooked on a TV show. It hasn't happened since about 2000. And we all know what that show was.

1. Keith knows my opinion on this - Locke is not evil. Locke is, at worst, indifferent to who he uses to find out about the mysteries of the island. He's pretty much the only one (Kate and Sayid are to a lesser extent) willing to admit there's something seriously fucked up about the place.

2. Hatch Dude may or may not be evil. I don't know at this point. I do know he's hot. We're slowly finding out that everyone on the island has a link to some other person on the island (and I did some nerd research today and found out that the man who died in the operating room's last name was Rutherford - same as Shannon. Her father maybe? Way to go Jack.)

3. He got all GI Joe commando when they blew open the hatch, maybe some kind of goverment guy? A scientist? Like I said, he's hot, and I want more of him.

4. Walt is psycic/mystic/creepy/cool. I hope he's okay, and not dead. I think he was projecting himself to Shannon. I have no freaking clue what he whispered.

5. If any of them is going to die, it'll be Michael....Sawywer is too eye candy and Jin hasn't had enough back story.

6. I have no idea. Are the others the people on the raft? Other people totally different on the island? Other underground people? Fuck if I know, all I know is I'm scared.

7. Rousseau is crazy, due mostly to being "alone" on that damn island for 16 years...or was she in cahoots with Ethan? No fucking clue. I hope to see more of her. PS - Alex was a girl, not a boy.

8. The "security system" yes....was it being run by Desmond in the hatch? His computer thingie! WTF. Scary to me. I thought it was the same thing as the smoke, now I don't know. I just don't know.

9. The island is in some kind of crazy time/alternate universe warp? I don't know. Maybe the island is a giant ship that Desmond is racing around the world.

10. Kate will fuck Sawyer when he gets back from sea, I hope she dissents from Jack more and more. She's probably the most evil one of all, though.

11. No. Charlie is a boring hobbit. I want more Sayid.

charlie is NOT a boring hobbit. I love him! sayid and sawyer are the hottest though.

now that ive gotten my lameness out of the way, my REAL thoughts on the show.

I haven't seen the first episode of the second season yet, so if someone could either post or PM me a more detailed run down i would give you my first born.

ok, i don't think locke is evil, but i think he doesn't care who he hurts to find out the idland's secrets. I find him to be the most intriging chracter on the show, although every backstory we've seen of him is horribly depressing and makes me feel really sorry for him. I also wonder why he is so different in the real world then he is on the island. How did he learn all of his weird hunter and jungle survival knowledge?
I almost cried when his legs stopped working, but then they started working again and it made me think maybe he faked it to kill boone?

haven't seen anything since the hatch got opened, but I want to point out the numbers on the hatch. When did that australian guy first use the numbers to count the beans at the fair? 16 years? the same time crazy french woman got shipwrecked? or was it longer than that.

Walt is psychic, but he has other abilities too. like getting the numbers on the dice every time? making the bird fly into the window?
I think his powers are what make the people on the raft want him.

i also think the people on the raft are the others. that last scene of them in the season finale scared the shit out of me.

so, everyone but walt is still on the raft? i saw sawyer get knocked off and was afraid that he died.

I don't remember much talk of amonster. could someone refresh my memory?

We really don't need to relive charlie on heroin. I hope that locke finds it and convinces him not to do it.

whats the deal with the island? man oh man, the possibilities . . .

hoever "they are dead" im afraid is as cliche as "it was all a dream" so I can't belive that is an explanation.
There's an undeniable force. i mean psychic people, dreams, miricles . . .

goddamn what a good show!!!!!

You guys have made me really want to see this now.

Doubt it. He had all those fucked up dreams with the wheel chair coming back and all. I think the paralysis-coming-back was legit, although I think there may be more explanation to come on why Boone is dead.


Well, yeah.


Uh, the possibly invisible, mechanical sounding thing that killed the pilot, destroyed trees and has been mentioned throughout the show. Rousseau referred to it as a "security system" that is protecting something.


Well, they threw an explosive on the raft, so it's destroyed, but everyone is still alive as far as we know.

ok, meanie pants. I remember the monster now. I just always assumed that that was the island itsself, not an actual monster. I know what you're talking about now.



well, i read that if you missed ths start of the second season they are reshowing it tomorrow before the othe one, so I no lnger need an update. I'm SOOO excited!!


i think there is more to boone's death. Ialso think there is more to shannon that meets the eye. remember boone said she was special in a lot of ways and isn't she the one who saw walt? somehow the fact that she has to survive without boone will be important i think.

I'm glad Boone's gone. He kind of creeped me out.

I had never thought of the monster just being part of the island...man, this is the bestest show evah.

Keith, can I come over early tomorrow night to watch the replay of last week?

Wasn't trying to be mean. I'm just naturally an asshole.


Sure. Joel and Serai are already coming over early for a remidial Lost course so maybe you can help.

Sorry to get into Private Message territory, Carl.

My grandma recorded it on her fancy schmancy TV and called me like 4 times tonight to let me in on things she noticed when she paused scenes


Like the numbers being on the bottle that Desmond injected.


Yeah.

Lost is the best show currently on television. I bought the DVD on Thursday of last week and we watched the whole thing over the long weekend. This show is great at details, like the numbers being everywhere. I think Hurley's Numbers episode is one of the most interesting. Did you notice in the episode of season one, can't remember the name, where Jin's story was being told and he went into the guy's house to give him a message and the guy's daughter was on the couch with the dog watching tv? If you look at the tv., it's Hurley claiming his lottery money. I won't bore everyone with my theories, but I don't think Locke is evil. I don't know if I trust him, but I don't think he is downright the bad guy. I think Walt is alive and using Vincent and Shannon somehow with his "powers." Shannon was the only one that Walt hugged when he and the other raftees shipped off and the camera was very clear in showing that. I don't think any of the raftees are dead. They are all too valuable now. Michael might be the only one hurt, b/c his story has been presented, but you know Sawyer won't be dead and I doubt Jin will be dead either. Too many ideas for stories. Kate will fuck Sawyer. She is too much like him, she only likes Jack b/c he is what she can never be or live up to. I worry about Kate a lot, as a threat. Charlie will also be a threat if he continues the heroin, but Clare and the baby Aaron, might be the forces that helps him. Rousseau is crazy and I don't trust her at all, especially after kidnapping Aaron. I could go on and on about this, but I will wait until tonight's episode to freak out more. Have fun watching it everyone.

its been an hour guys. I can't belive I'm the first to post. I mean, I can't belive I am the biggest loser here.

so, what did everybody think of tonight's episode?

I thought it was pretty annoying how they left us at pretty much the exact same place as the last episode as far as "desmond" goes.

I am glad that all 3 people on the raft were ok, even though they will probbaly be held captive by the others for the remainder of the season.

i wonder why desmond was quarentined?

I can't spell.
the french lady said that she killed her team bc they all got infected with a sickness. desmond asked how many people had been infected yet. same sickness? is the sickness an evil that the others instill in you?

discuss . . .

I need some more time to let it all sink in. But wow. Most definitely the best show on television.

Genetic research done by a company called Dharma. They even had the motherfucking sharks in on it, man.

Oh god. I think I might have to cave and look at a lost messageboard now. I don't want spoilers, I just want theories...

But Sayid basically said she was more or less insane and was just paranoid that they were sick so she murdered them all. I'm not ready to buy this disease thing just yet.

It's starting to look like this Island (and surrounding ocean) is some sort of contained unit separated from the rest of the world (a la the "set" of The Truman Show). It was a little too easy for "The Others" and the tattooed sharks to find the escapers.

This episode was good and all, but it was pretty much a placeholder (I mean, we learned nothing from the backstory, for one thing). I'm really pumped for next week.

(Edited by Keith at 2:13 am on Sep. 29, 2005)

I'm going to have to rent the first season and devote a weekend to it. I've only seen the last two episodes, but I'm impressed. I also want to see what those aliens look like on the show that comes on after Lost.

That other show is super-lame.

Lost is where it's at. Worth devoting your life to.

so lame they had to include a disclaimer about the fact that a hurricane happened to be in the first episode...

either have the balls to just show it, or don't, but don't make a deal out of it.

wait...what? they were tattooed? due to what i can only describe as an irrational (yet hilarious to bystanders) fear of sharks, i hid under a blanket during those scenes screaming profanities. dude, they were tattooed?!? man, i love this show...

i had the same kind of 'truman show' theory, but maybe with an 'island of dr. moreau twist.'

Tattooed with the same little "S" emblem that Desmond has on his jacket and all the equipment.

Genetic engineering?

Would explain the polar bears...

My sister's theory on the polar bears is that Walt conjured them. he was reading the polar bear comic, anyway. and he's walt.

i totally missed the tattooes, but not bc i was hiding.

genetic enginnering? sounds like too much of a science answer. I think we're in the spiritual realm now.

Can anyone confirm the name on the "S" emblem (that was on all of the food and on Desmond's outfit and on the shark)?

Well, according to my grandma (who is a Lost authority) she believes it says DHARMA.

How very eastern.


Speaking of Eastern, here's the South Korean Flag.



Looks a lot like the symbol, eh?

Eh?

Sun and Jin are Korean. There was a sun on the painting with 108 in it. Maybe it's all about her.

I think there's way more of a sci-fi element than anything else...maybe mixed in with some Eastern mysticism.

I kind of think the islad is/is a manifestation of a time/space warp. For sure. I think scientists were messing with that kind of stuff, there's still NO explanation for the mummies at the caves (with the black and white stones) OR the Black Rock.

Oops. Go to the next post.

(Edited by Keith at 1:35 am on Sep. 30, 2005)

Extreme Close-up time...

Shark

Medicine Cabinet

Electrical

Desmond's Jacket

Ooh, thanks Keith. I think it does say DHARMA.

Is the "S" thing a snake or a swan? Or just a fancy "S"

You can't tell me the bars don't resemble those on the Korean flag (especially the one labeled "electrical")

Those bars look like "i ching," which is a form of chinese fortune telling.


So the symbols break down like this:

north

-----
-- -- Li The Clinging, Flame
-----

northeast

-- --
-- -- K'un The Receptive, Earth
-- --


east

-----
----- Sun The Gentle, Wind
-- --


southeast

-----
----- Ch'ien The Creative, Heaven
-----


south

-- --
----- K'an The Abysmal, Water
-- --


southwest

-- --
-- -- Chên The Arousing, Thunder
-----


west

-----
-- -- Kên Keeping Still, Mountain
-- --

northwest

-- --
----- Tui The Joyous, Lake
-----


It should be noted that each three bar symbol needs to be paired with another to gather any meaning.

Oh, and Dharma means "protection." It's sort of it's own philosophy rooted in Bhuddism.

(Edited by FeaturesTroll at 11:32 am on Sep. 30, 2005)

These first two episodes should have been edited together for a two hour premiere. That would have been better.

I liked tonight's episode, but some of the Sawyer/Michael argument got a tad cheesy. And how did Michael row himself to the pontoon so quickly? Why did Sawyer have to swim for it if it took Michael, by himself, 5 seconds to get there? Yeah, there was some good drama but...eh.

Who does everyone think the "him" is that Desmond referred to? His replacement in the hatch?

Next week looks awesome.

Also, of note is the "Dharma Wheel," which is broken into 8 sections just like the show's symbols.

here's an image:


The wheel encompasses Bhudda's teachings, with the four main points being the Four Noble Truths (Life as ordinarily lived is suffering...etc.).

Dharma used in, this, it's purest sense refers to Bhudda's actual teachings (as opposed to the layers and layers added since his death).

Okay, Wednesday night's episode left me wanting more. The next episode looks fantastic. If you get a chance, check out the Lost home page. The message boards are hilarious, such as "If you don't like Kate, vote here" and "Sawyer is so hot." For next week's show, Michelle Rodriquez's character "Ana Lucia" is supposed to show up, and she was in the tail of the plane, and also in seat 42 (number sounds familar). So now there will be another love triangle I'm sure (Jack-Kate-Ana and Jack-Kate-Sawyer). Ah the drama.
Michael was getting on my nerves in the last episode and I agree with Digsy that they should have combined the first two episodes into one long season premiere. Enough dorky analyzing for me now.

I think "him" is a replacement...probably Hurley, or at least the guy Hurley was in the mental institution with. He's the only one who knows the numbers by heart. And he'll probably know the answer to that riddle, he's a jokester, that Hurley.

OK, so we've got the four and eight, do the 15 16 23 & 42 mean anything in Buddhism?

Definitely a snake.

Thanks for the pics, Keith.

Thanks for the Budhist connection, FT.

seeing as this is the LOST thread, I thought it would be appropriate for you to see this. I ASSURE all of you, it doesn't reveal anything about the plot. Just click here.

23B was Jack's seat number on the plane and 42F was Ana-Lucia's (returning next week) seat number.

They were also at Gate 23.

More info than you could ever want about the Lost numbers.

"23 - # of weeks into the 16th year that the french signal has been repeating. The math is involved and intricate but amazing. Sayid said 1-7-2-9-4-5-3-3 was the number of interations. He said it was roughly 30 seconds long. The interation can repeat 2 times per minute, and there have been 17,294,533 of them. So divide the number of interations by 2 for minutes. = 8647266.5 Divide by 60 for hours. = 144121.1083 Divide by 24 for days. = 6005.0461805 Divide by 365 for years. = 16.4521813 etc. So 16 years. Now subtract the 16 years and you get: = .4521813 Multiply by 365 you get: = 165.046 days. Subtract four days for the four leap years that weren't covered when you divided by 365. (2004, 2000, 1996, 1992) you get: = 161 days. 161.046 days divided by 7. you get: = 23.00 weeks."

And I thought I took this show seriously! Damn!

I have a new theory.

Basically, I think there is something on the island that makes certain people go insane, or "sick" as Desmond put it. If you'll remember, Danielle (Rousseau is too hard to spell), killed her whole crew because she thought they had gone insane. Everyone just assumes that Danielle herself is insane, but I think she may have been telling the truth. Then you have Desmond asking Locke how many people from the plane crash had "gotten sick" since being on the island. He, himself, is quarantined for some reason. Then you have the preview for this week's episode that shows people on the other side of the island (presumably the people from the tail of the plane, or less likely, "the others") who seem to have gone crazy and are attacking everyone. I think they, minus annalucia and perhaps some others, have caught whatever crazy disease that's making people insane.

Does this make sense?

That's Amy's theory. She's been saying it's a phsychosis-inducing neurotoxin since she watched it for the first time 2 weeks ago.

You should listen to her more often. She's almost as smart as me.

Is it possible that the "Others" are the rear part of the plane that separated? Kate talked about that possibility, but I think Jack shrugged it off.

I thought it was the fat guy reading the comic.

(Edited by carligula at 8:39 am on Oct. 4, 2005)

I haven't even read it yet, but I want to fuck you now.

i already posted that theory and someone said "oh no, danielle is just insane" but I don't think she is. so yes i totally think that's what it is.


also, yes, hurley was reading the comic on the plane, but walt found it in the wreckage and was readng it.

I'm not referring to "Jack seeing his father" insane. More like, "kill everybody" insane.

Well, she's been exposed to it a lot longer than Jack's posse has. Maybe it starts with hallucinations and leads to psychotic episodes and all-out nuttiness. Maybe the rear half of the plane landed closer to the source of the toxin and therefore, those passengers are more affected.

If I had seen the first season, I'd probably feel more confident in making an argument. For example, I don't really know about these "powers" of Walt's. Will these powers keep him from getting molested by the pirates?

RE: The Comic Book-- was it obvious when Walt was reading it? Because they were very subtle about Hurley reading it. I felt pretty observant seeing that.

Yes, it was obvious when Walt was reading it. Michael got pissed at him and took it away and threw it into the fire.

Whoa!

That's a really good theory, Keith. Based on the few seconds of the commerical we saw, the people from the tail end of the plane seem more - primal, crazy.

Then again, maybe they just got fucked and weren't seated next to the doctor, the hunter, the electronics specialist, the architect, the botanist, the fisherman, and the psychic. It's all Lord of the Flies on their side of the island because of this.

Toxin. I like the sound of that.

BUT we still have the mystery of the Black Rock, the tattoo shark, and what about Adam and Eve?

I'm more interested in the ship than anything else. Moreso than the hatch almost.

Good point, yourself.

What is mysterious about The Black Rock? Just the fact that there is a ship in the middle of the island, or are you wondering something beyond that. I'm more curious about the significance of the black and white symbolism they've brought up numerous times (i.e. in the backgammon game and the stones that Adam and Eve had).

Yeah, the ship in the middle of the island freaks me out WAY more than the hatch, or either one of the planes.

Planes - crash
Hatch - built
boat in the middle of the damn jungle - I don't think it's from a hurricane.

Time warp.

My friend Sam brought up that in a couple episodes (one being the Pilot) where you can see the stars, the big dipper is visable, only it's turned around, as if you are seeing it from the other side of the galaxy or universe or whatever. Interesting...

It's times like this I thank god and grandma for DVDs.

Things like that, though, I wonder if they're intentional or just some kind of filming quirk.

DUH, they were flying from Australia! Water flows the other way and all the stars are backwards. Geeze, you're slow!

So I have a question for all you LOST fanatics. It may not be very relevant to the plot, but it's been bothering me since last night's episode.

I got the impression from last season that Helen was not someone with whom Locke had a genuine romantic relationship. There was that strange phone conversation where he invited her to Australia and she said that she had enjoyed talking with him over the phone but that was all, and she even mentioned having to charge him. I thought maybe Helen was some phone sex operator that Locke had become obsessed with. So I was confused last night by the portrayal of Helen as someone with whom Locke had actually been intimate. Was anyone else confused by this?

I didn't notice that, but if she was a phone sex operator, maybe her name was "Helen".

He could have asked to call her Helen.

That's what I was thinking. He also accidently calls Kate "Helen" on one episode in Season 1.

this week's episode ended happily and i liked that. I KNEW Rose's husband was still alive. I thought the same thing about Locke's helen. that he had asked the phone operater if he could call her that. but itm makes me wnoder how he lost helen in the first place.

i love hurley, by the way.

Thanks to my friend BitTorrent, I've been able to catch up on this show. When it first came on, it looked interesting to me, but I knew I couldn't commit to watching it every week. It's definitely a show where you can't skip an episode. Now, though, I've seen all but the most recent episode. Here are my thoughts...

Locke isn't evil. Some have suggested that he's just indifferent and will step on anyone in his way in order to solve the mystery of the island. I don't think that's the case. Instead, he sees the big picture. He's the only one who realizes that the island is more than a rock in the ocean. He also knows that in order for them to survive, they'll have to understand the island. If one person (i.e. Boone) gets killed along the way, he thinks its sad but realizes that he died in pursuit of a greater good.

I liked Arzt's rant to Hurley about the "clique." I like it when TV shows poke fun at themselves.

In the first episode, I really liked Jack. He seemed like a stand-up guy who could take control in a chaotic situation and help some people out. Since then, though, I've liked him less and less. He's a little too wishy-washy and seems to alienate Locke, who could've been his strongest ally.

Keith, I'm sorry this show wasn't on CBS. If it was, they could've had a season of Survivor with the cast of Lost as the contestants.

I strayed for awhile, but I'm beginning to think that Locke may turn evil again. His entire mission in life was to get down the hatch to find his "destiny" and then it turned out his destiny was pushing in a code every 108 minutes. That kinda shit can piss a brotha off and lead him into insanity and killing a bunch of people, especially when he just escaped a boring office job.

And LOST + Survivor = best show ever.

I don't think Locke is evil, but I don't think he is particularly sane. It seems clear even through his flashbacks that he has issues.

i read a magazine that said the producers said that in shannon's "dream", walt was saying "push the button. don't push the button. bad."

the magazine also said that a major female character would die before the holidays.

at first I thought it would be sun, but unfortunately it might be claire, and her baby will be "raised by another" which will just fuck shit up.

Drinking Game!


Drink....

- Anytime all the numbers (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) are mentioned, either in a row or in combination, take a shot

- Whenever Locke makes a speech about destiny, fate or faith, take a shot

- Whenever Scott or Steve are referenced or mixed up, shot

- Anytime there is a Polar bear reference or it appears, shot

- Whenever Jack cries, take two shots, youre guaranteed to be drunk by the end of the night

- Whenever one character appears in another characters flashback, shot

- Whenever the "Others" are mentioned or referenced, shot

- Anytime Charlie mentions Driveshaft and no one cares, take a shot

- Anytime the "hatch" is mentioned, shot

- Whenever Hurley mentions he is bad luck or the numbers are bad luck, shot

- Whenever Sawyer calls Kate "freckles", shot

- Anytime someone pulls out a gun, shot

- When Sayid makes or fixes a gadget, like making a radio out of a coconut, shot

- Whenever Shannon is tanning, take a shot

- Anytime the "monster" appears, is mentioned or heard, shot

- Whenever Sayid is wearing an undershirt or Sawyer is topless, take a shot and lick the tv screen

- Whenever we hear whispering in the jungle, shot

- When Sawyer gives someone a new nickname, shot

- Whenever Hurley says "dude", shot

that looks like a fun game, i'll have to try it sometime!

I got drunk before last week's episode and now i don't remember much of it. For that, wednesdays are sober days.

The next new episode is 3 WEEKS from tonight?!?!?!

ha! i just heard my sister shout the same thing from upstairs...

What a seriously weak episode. Especially when it's the last one for three weeks.

Agreed. Nothing really happened. They found Michael. Big deal.

I want someone to NOT push the button.

(Edited by lalalayousangtome at 10:29 pm on Oct. 19, 2005)

I disagree. I found it refreshing to finally be out of the depressing hatch and away from annoying jack for an episode.

they are taking their sweet ass timew this season, and the fact that someone is going to die in the next episode (THREE FUCKING GODDAMN SHIT ASS MOTHERFUCKING WEEKS FROM NOW!!!!) is pretty exciting.


so . . here's the question:

who do you think it will be?

the scenes from next episode made it seem like it would be sawyer, but I feel pretty confident that that is just a fake out.
ALSO, i know i already mentioned this, but I read somehwere that it would be a female member of the cast kicking the bucket.

Until tonight's episode, i thought it would be sun. but i think killing her off when she is so close to reuniting with jen is just cruel and would piss a lot of viewers off.
I'm going to stand by my Claire prediction, just for the time being, because we haven't seen her for a long time, so we're not quite as attached as we were last season. On the other hand, it would be sort of weird if she just appeared out of nowhere for one last episode and died suddenly.

BUT the whole drama of having her baby raised by another could make for an interesting story line, esp. since the others wanted her baby. Also, her legacy lives on in her baby, blah blah blah.

not that I want Claire to die; she is in fact one of my favorite characters and I think she and Charlie and adorable. I want to see her get to enjoy her life with her baby.

If I got to choose who would be killed off it would be ana lucia. she annoys the balls off of me.

so, come on, cast your vote!!!

Lost Rhapsody

Have you guys seen this?

It's not a spoiler, I promise.



I think it'll be the blonde girl from the other side of the island that dies.
Just the fact that Claire has a baby would make her death too traumatic.

I don't know if it'll be either of the two new girls since both Cynthia Watros and Michelle Rodriguez seem to be signed on for a full season and their names appear in the opening "starring" crawl. Of course since "Lost" doesn't have title sequences to recut and cost money, they could easily have tossed those names in there to fake us out.

I would hate to see Claire go because she's one of my favorite characters. It will obviously not be Kate. I don't think Shannon would make much of an impact, actually it might make most viewers happy.

If I was writing the show, I'd kill Sun. It'd go for the drama and it would make whatever big event happens next week stick. And don't think that these guys care about pissing viewers off. Between "Buffy," "Angel" and "Alias," these guys have killed more beloved and important characters than anyone on TV. These guys go for the story, regardless of what fans think. That's why I love them.

And I also love the fact that Gavin Pak and Holland Manners from Wolfram & Hart have been reunited on "Lost." Um, that's Jin and Bernard, Rose's husband...they were both on "Angel."

Anyway...

i have no response to that.

I agree... I mean... disagree also. I thought it was a great episode. I think it had a much more "magical and mysterious" feel that just hasn't happened since the first season (of which I've now watched the first 5 episodes). I like seeing more of the island, not some stupid sound-stage bunker.

My prediction-- they'll cop out and kill one of the rear passengers. Probably the tall skinny blonde who had like 2 lines in this episode. I noticed she was in one of the shots where they said "one of these survivors will die!"

Crud, I just saw this. So, yeah, I agree. It's probably going to be her.

i noticed the same thing......

SPOILER ALERT: if you haven't watched the entirety of the first season and don't know what happens, please don't read on. I don't want to ruin it for anyone.
and having said that:

i hope it is her. no offense, libby, its just that i couldn't part with claire or sun and you know they won't get rid of kate.
plus, the tailies are all being stalked by the others, at least it seems more so than the our original cast. it could still be way sad, if the writing is good, without being traumatic.

for example, when boone died, it was sad, but mostly for shannon. he was never a main focus except in one episode when he went on his fucked up vision quest and the couple of episodes when he and locke spent the entire time trying to get in the hatch. however, when he died we still felt a serious bit of loss for him, even though he wasn't as clear a focused character as, say, jack, kate, or sayid.

Ana Lucia needs the hell beat out of her.

That last shot of the episode makes me think she's about to get one.

Was it just me, or did Dr. Jack walk by in the Shannon flashback scene in the hospital after her father's car crash? Do y'all think he died in the same crash that almost paralyzed Jack's future wife? I'm pretty sure there was a blatant mention of an SUV in both storylines. It's like 21 Grams all over again!

I'm excited to see how the writers find a way to make every single life on the island intersect off the island.

It's the same crash (Jack's future wife and Shannon's dad). I believe all of the castaways are connected somehow, like Sawyer meeting Jack's dad and doesn't Hurley own the company Locke worked for? And it may be me but doesn't Rose's husband look like the guy Sawyer was trying to find and kill. He killed the guy in Australia and it wasn't the right guy. Who knows?
Do you think Shannon will die? I just don't think she will. But I think Sayid will return some vengence on that bitch Ana.
Next week's episode looks very exciting. I guess they are going to try to make Ana more likeable. Good luck writers. But I like the idea of starting over and finding out what happened to the other passengers, even though it is a stalling episode.

It seems to me that it's a re-occuring theme of the show to present someone in a very negative light, but to get you to sympathize/empathize with them by explaining their motives.

Yep, but Jack's the exception. He "seems" to be almost perfect and he seems to truly want the best for everyone. Wonder why he's divorced? I have truly liked the characters despite their flaws, except Shannon and Ana, but we don't know what her motives are yet. I was neutral about Boone. I didn't really like his character because there wasn't much there, but I guess they are going to explore his character more this season.

what if hitler and frank sinatra came back and joined forces?
that would be messed up.

Yes. I thought it had been discussed here before, but in the first episode of this season during Jack's flashback, they clearly called the guy that died "Mr. Rutherford," which, of course, is Shannon's last name.

Also, it still isn't clear if Jack got divorced or the girl died. He just keeps saying he's not married anymore.

And I don't think Shannon's going to die. Her backstory is still too incomplete, in my opinion.

And I'm ready for this season to start having a few less questions and a few more answers. It's like, at the beginning of this season, the only big question really was what the deal with the hatch was. Now we have like 1000 questions, and we still don't even know that much about the hatch. The more mysteries, the less interested I am in any of them. I'm still loving the show, though. Don't get me wrong.

*****POSSIBLE SPOILERS IN THIS POST*******

This week's backwards Walt whisperings:

"they are coming they are close"




Also, unless the Lost producers are really fucking with the media, it doesn't look good for Shannon being alive much longer or at all:

... in the Life section of USAToday:

"Maggie Grace, who played Shannon was, 'really awesome' about being written out of the show says executive producer Carlton Cuse.
"Her fate was decided early last spring, he says. 'We had to negotiate her contract for this season, so she's known for a long time this was coming. but she was nothing but absolutely professional and completely tight-lipped and completley a team player in terms of going to events, doing interviews and participating as a full member of the cast without giving any inidcation she was dying."

(Edited by Keith at 1:45 pm on Nov. 10, 2005)

Another Lost spoiler.

Speaking of killing off main characters, in the bonus features for the first season they talked about how Jack was supposed to die halfway through the pilot. Wild!

They're clearly writing this stuff as they go along.

I think the basic storyline is there, what I assume is solving the mysteries of the island - the isolation, the projects, the environment, etc etc....I think that's all decided, but how they go about revealing it is what they're making up.

And I wish Jack had died off.

Jack is my favorite.

Why? Is it because you're sick and like assholes, or is it some Party of Five solidarity?

I'm with you, JC.

What frustrates me about the show is that no one on the island will put their heads together and try and figure out what's going on. Everyone has all of these little insights, but instead of sharing them and trying to solve the mysteries of the island, they just clam up and suck on a coconut (except for Shannon, who sucks two coconuts). Why doesn't Locke tell the others about his suspicion that the island has magical powers? Why doesn't Hurley tell the others about the numbers? Why won't those uncivilized tail-draggers talk about The Others? It's frustrating.

Also, does anyone know where I can pick up a copy of Drivetrane's album?

Too awesome to see just once:

1. I like Jack because he's a good, honest guy. Why do people always tend to hate the good guys? And yeah, he was on Party of Five, too.

2. TF, I think it's easy for us to speculate about what they should and shouldn't do on the island, because we're outside of it. For the people who are actually there, the fear, uncertainty, and paranoia have a tendency, I think, to cloud their judgement.

3. It's Driveshaft, man. Get it right!

More like SuckShaft!

And I don't think Jack's that good of a guy. His methods are pretty questionable and his lack of respect for others wears my patience thin.

I think he's gay and his wife left him. I hope so, that would ALMOST make his character border on interesting.

Oh, and since Shannon was 18 when her dad died and she's 20/21 on the island, that means Jack had that silly silly haircut 2-3 years ago.

So add bad taste to that list.

Hilarious. Come back to the Boro. Or not...because the Boro sucks.


There needs to be another "Office" party.

a friend had to tape wednesday's episode for me becuase i was gone for thanksgiving. and she cut off the last 5 minutes of it. will someone please tell me what happened??!!??!?!?!?!\

btw, i cried my fucking eyes out when bernard and rose reunited. i have been waiting for that moment all season!

and if the writers are trying to do some damage control for ana lucia by making us feel sorry for her, um, good job. she is a crazy bitch!

Jack and Ana Lucia saw each other again for the first time since the airport. She'd let Sayid go right before Jack got to her.

i'm pretty sure that was it...

(i teared up with bernard and rose too!)

(Edited by lalalayousangtome at 10:39 pm on Nov. 25, 2005)

You know that moment when Mr. Eko and Jack stumbled upon the scene of the crime and stared blankly for a brief moment, reacting at something we couldn't yet see?

It turned out to be Sayid holding Shannon's body with Ana-Lucia in the background.

For a brief second, I hoped they had found Ana-Lucia's body hanging from a tree, held up by a makeshift vine noose.

I hate her more than Jack, I think. And I really hate Jack.

I don't like Ana Lucia, but I think that the writers are doing a superb job with making her crazy sympathetic. Showing what happened to her band of survivors? No wonder she's so tough. And last episode's revelation...pretty intense stuff. I like her just because of what she adds to the show.

But really, what was up with everyone's non-reaction to Shannon's death? Like, Michael didn't even address it or show any emotion whatsoever aside from "Man, Ana Lucia's a bitch." That was kinda annoying...even Sayid didn't seem so phased by it.

Do you mean this like "Crazy in Love," or do you mean that they are capable of making us sympathetic to her craziness?

I don't have much sympathy for her, even when she dropped the dead baby bombshell.

I ALSO don't see why that guy was let go after he had already made a confession? And didn't they say they had prints or something? Was he let go just on the basis of her not making a positive ID?

I use "crazy" as a synonym for "very" a lot of the time. I don't know why.

That's crazy lame

dead baby or no, i don't feel sorry for her. I understand WHY she's such a bitch, but i don't forgive her for it.

also i don't think we've had enough time to see people's reactions to shannon's death. micheal is of course phased but still too freaked out about walt to give a shit. and we didn't see much of sayid's reaction last week, which i think is fortunate. i don't want to see sayid crying the whole damn time.



btw does anyone have any thoughts on "the list?"

something about the people on the list was inherently "good" and there seems to be someone fucked up about almost all of our survivors. whether or not we consider it good or bad is a judgement call, but the others must be making some type of moral judgement on the survivors.
a quick recap:

kate's infinite crimes
sawyer killed the wrong guy
claire's baby out of wedlock
charlie's heroin addiction
sayid's war involvement, torture, etc.
shannon and boone's weird almost incest
and now, ana lucia's cold blooded revenge murder

etc. you get my point


btw, any thoughts on our other survivors' (tailies included) transgressions?
lock, as far as we know, hasn't done anything wrong, but a lot of awful stuff has happened to him.
same with hurley
and what the FUCK happened to jack's wife sarah? there is something awful in there and im pumped about finding out what it is.

jack acts like an injurred lamb all the time...maybe he found his wife in bed with someone else...

that would really suck after such a "romantic" beginning to their relationship though.

http://lostlinks.net/whispers.htm



wow bob wow.

Bad news: After this week's episode, it would seem that there are no new ones until 1/11/06.

d'oh. double post.

(Edited by Keith at 5:17 pm on Nov. 28, 2005)

WHAT

(Edited by stalker on skates at 2:43 am on Nov. 29, 2005)

Y'see, this is why I'm a firm believer of a drastic change in the TV season. Either they cut it in half, with half of the programming starting in late August and running 22-24 straight weeks of programming until the new year, and then another batch starting in January with the same thing....or they should air 11-12 straight weeks of programming starting in October, a month break, and then another 11-12 straight weeks.

Reruns blow and there's no reason why we have to have them. Surely they don't do well enough in ratings to warrant keeping.

I agree the re-runs blow, but if they didn't get enough ratings to warrant keeping, then I believe in capitalism enough to know that they wouldn't keep them. I seem to remember Friends re-runs doing better in the ratings than most first-run shows on the other networks.

In more related news, I'm excited about this week's episode and about the show in general again. I just read an interview with one of the creators where he acknowledged and quelled some of my fears about the direction in which the show is going.

Can you link it?

Thanks for that link!

My new theory: they're in a simulation (i.e. virtual reality). The voices are those of the scientists in the lab.

Okay, that's not likely, but it would be cool if it were true.

Does a show like Lost need to show reruns more than non-sequential shows (like sitcoms)? Do the networks need to give their viewers a chance to catch up on the episodes they may have missed so they'll understand what's going on? Also, do they need to show reruns during the holidays since other activities will interupt the viewers' schedules? Hopefully some of you understand the television industry better than I do and can shed some light on it.

The whispers are creepy. Do you think they're actually related to the plot, or did the producers just put in some random speech to provide some ambiance?

http://www.lostlinks.net/blackbox.htm

It's in one of the 1st 3 interviews here, but they're pretty much all worth reading.

I don't think that reruns are the way to go if they want viewers to catch up. How would watching new episode (let's say episode 26) this week, and then watching episodes 22, 23, 24, then the next new episode 27...I dunno. It would fill in gaps but I don't think it's all that efficient.

A more efficient way would be doing what ABC did last season. They reran the newest episodes of Lost and Desperate Housewives on Friday and Saturday, two nights that are black holes in the TV schedule. I think this would be really smart to do on a regular basis instead of reruns on Wednesday.

And reruns during the second half of December are necessary, I do believe. There's too much in the way of specials and crappy holiday TV movies to air.

Oh my God.

Best episode so far this season, IMO.

I agree, HOMO.

LOL

It was great. It was really, really great.

I got bored the other day and decided to buy season 1 because it was so incredibly cheap. This was one of those shows I wanted to see, but missed the first season and didn't want to come in 1/2 way. (the same logic holds true for me and "24")

Anyway, I wasn't expecting to like it as much as I did, I'm hooked. It's as complex and interesting as a book....without having to read!!! The creativity is simply amazing. I finished season 1 in like two days, and have started downloading the second one with bit torrent. I won't be reading this thread until I catch up.

As a sidenote, this MB has a pretty good track record when it comes to tastes in t.v. and, of course, music.

so how far along are ya'll with lost now?

I'm almost finished downloading the most recent 2 episodes right now. They'll be watched by tomorrow. Ohh wait, was there a new one on last night? If so, I don't guess I'll be all caught up.

Anyway, I'm less than satisfied with what's been answered up to this point... More on that tomorrow I suppose.

They're re-running the pilot this week, so you have time to catch up.

they should really go for a lost marathon or something of that nature... I know it's been discussed already, but I think reruns for sequential shows like "lost" are worthless.


Anyway, I'm all caught up now. Is anyone else getting tired of Jack? I hope he dies soon. His character is VERY concrete and incredibly predictable, not to mention annoying. Something needs to happen so his role changes from pushy doctor to something else.

I'm not sure if this response has been given, but I think it's interesting that they don't show reruns in sequential order. It seems like maybe they show reruns that will best lead into the next episode or something. Has anyone else noticed this?

By the way, this guy has an excellent blog that covers the episodes (among many other things).

Begging to Differ

I don't buy it. They showed "Numbers" a couple weeks ago, making me assume that we were either getting a Hurley episode or something relating to the numbers next show, but there was no connection.

so did everyone quit watching??? I just watched the download from Wednesday's episode and thought it was fantastic!

I watched it and it was awesome. I just don't have too much to contribute that the internet nerds haven't already figured out. I think I already pointed this out, but a good source my girlfriend pointed out to me is this blog.

i'm glad something actually happened in last nights episode.

Actually, I'd say something's "happened" in about 4 of the last 6 or so episodes. Stuff like finding the lab where Claire was abducted and drugged and finding "Henry Gale" has kept me more interested than normal.

my sentiments exactly... I was getting sick of 'filler' followed by a final 5 minutes of arousing new questions. It was nice to get a few answers and have something important happen.

Answers?! We got a dead guy with an ID that claims he's Henry Gale (which still doesn't clearly mean "Henry" is one of the Others, just that he's either lying or someone planted a body with a fake ID), a mysterious food drop from the sky (suposedly from an aircraft no one saw), the continued pissing contest between Jack and Sawyer, a mysterious unprovoked random lock-down and some cryptic blacklit diagrams on the walls of the hatch. Yep, it all makes sense now.

While the first few episodes of the season didn't seem to progress the plot much, I don't think you can say this is the first episode in a long time where something happened to speed things along.

Yep, like we know how the food gets restocked, we know Henry wasn't telling the truth. Anyway, perhaps I should have said substance... It just seemed that we were getting 'fluff' the last few episodes. Like the whole Sun is pregnant thing? I could care less, but maybe it will make sense down the road . . .

I thought last night was pretty good. Locke is one of the few characters with consistently entertaining back stories. I think this whole season is basically just set up for the rest of the series. I'm beginning not to expect many answers at all. Maybe a couple in the season finale, but I still bet even that will raise way more questions than answers.

And I still kinda miss Shannon. Yes, I know I'm probably alone in this.

nope... she was nice to look at.

They did a great job of turning a character that was pretty annoying into one that I actually cared about. Her relationship with Sayid was one of the most interesting things about the series. I miss her.

And she was nice to look at.

I found another good site (and there are lots of them out there). LostPedia is an encylopedia of everything on Lost. All of the references, characters, and episodes are covered. It doesn't delve too much into the crazy theories that everyone on the Internet has. Instead, it just catalogs all of the facts that we have.

There are some really good theories out there. The sheer amount of detail and thought put into some of these sites amazes me. I wonder though, if producers won't be forced to resort to some cheesy/absurd solution to explain everything simply because the fans have researched things so much.