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Posted  Friday, September 2, 2005 at 3:47 PM
Post 1 of 89
i have never been more disappointed in our government and i have never hated our president as much as i do now.


we've been preparing for "suprise" terrorist attacks since september 11th 2001, but when we've got meteorologists saying 'hey, there's a big hurricane coming, oh hey it's slowing down, and um gaining momentum and it'll hit the gulf coast monday' those who should've taken charge sat around with their thumbs in their asses watching citizens of iraq throw themselves off a bridge and shit.

i hate you
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Posted  Friday, September 2, 2005 at 3:51 PM
Post 2 of 89
i've been thinking that exact same thing all day.
Posted  Friday, September 2, 2005 at 9:35 PM
Post 3 of 89
I couldn't agree more. Pathetic.
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Posted  Saturday, September 3, 2005 at 3:43 AM
Post 4 of 89
Please don't get me wrong, I'm working at a Red Cross station and am just as angry at the lackluster job our government is doing. The leader of FEMA not commenting on the deaths in NO because he had no ''official word" of deaths is ridiculous. And dropping only enough food for 12 families was nothing more than a slap in the face to the thousands who got nothing.

It does make things difficult, however, when you have someone shooting into crowds of people trying to evacuate a hospital. I also can't help to wonder how many of these people could have escaped when they were told to evacuate the city. Now I'm well aware that there are some people who couldn't leave for various reasons, but the number of people who stayed in New Orleans is unbelievable.
Posted  Saturday, September 3, 2005 at 1:05 PM
Post 5 of 89
"Quote from joeywade on Sep. 3, 2005 at 2:43 AM"
Now I'm well aware that there are some people who couldn't leave for various reasons, but the number of people who stayed in New Orleans is unbelievable.
the number of poor people in new orleans is unbelievable.
also consider the number of people in nursing homes, hospitals, prisons, etc, and im not just talking about the residents.

has anyone heard anything about this:
After first turning it down, the United States has accepted Russia's proposal to help Louisiana recover from Hurricane Katrina.

this is also a good breakdown of each days progress (or lack of):

The official version; then there's the in-the-trenches version
oh the drudgery of being wet
Posted  Saturday, September 3, 2005 at 6:48 PM
Post 6 of 89
I've watched too much coverage of this, but it's just so unbelievable that I can't look away. I just cannot believe that all those people were just left to die and starve for days. It's just horrific. All the footage, it just really didn't look like it could be our country. That much death, destruction, carnage, and lack of hope...it's sickening.

I'm just glad that relief has finally started. It's about 5 days too late, but at least it's there and all those people can start, well, I don't know if I'd call living in a stadium with a thousand other people living, but at least they'll be closer to food and care.
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Posted  Saturday, September 3, 2005 at 10:06 PM
Post 7 of 89
"Quote from sinasugarsick on Sep. 2, 2005 at 2:47 PM"

those who should've taken charge sat around with their thumbs in their asses
I'm pretty sure these people who should've taken charge are the people we're now having to rescue. (most of them at least). i'm seeing able bodied men and women who decided to wait it out. These people have been through hurricanes before and thought they would be fine after this one.

It was their decision to stay. (most of those people) I really haven't heard too many reports of people saying that they were too poor to leave. Some that have been sick or feable and old. There was an evacuation attempt beforehand.

You can't make people leave. How mad would you be if "the people in charge" (Bush?) had ordered everyone out. Pulled people kicking and screaming from their homes, forcing them to move North and then no hurricane comes or it misses the city. What kind of assault on civil liberties would that be? To put blame on a whole party is crazy and irrational. ANd I can understand anyone who cares about life and people to be irrational right now. but I really hope in the next week, that there isn't more blaming a president for people exercising their free will and staying in the city.
Posted  Sunday, September 4, 2005 at 2:08 AM
Post 8 of 89
"Quote from foldsfan on Sep. 3, 2005 at 9:06 PM"
"Quote from sinasugarsick on Sep. 2, 2005 at 2:47 PM"

those who should've taken charge sat around with their thumbs in their asses
I'm pretty sure these people who should've taken charge are the people we're now having to rescue. (most of them at least). i'm seeing able bodied men and women who decided to wait it out. These people have been through hurricanes before and thought they would be fine after this one.

It was their decision to stay. (most of those people) I really haven't heard too many reports of people saying that they were too poor to leave. Some that have been sick or feable and old. There was an evacuation attempt beforehand.

You can't make people leave. How mad would you be if "the people in charge" (Bush?) had ordered everyone out. Pulled people kicking and screaming from their homes, forcing them to move North and then no hurricane comes or it misses the city. What kind of assault on civil liberties would that be? To put blame on a whole party is crazy and irrational. ANd I can understand anyone who cares about life and people to be irrational right now. but I really hope in the next week, that there isn't more blaming a president for people exercising their free will and staying in the city.
im going to try so hard to be as civil as i can possibly be here.

so. i must know, do you think that these people were aware of what was coming? do you think that they had any idea that they couldnt trust the flood gates and that 80% of the city would be flooded? do you think that they knew that even if they were stranded that they would be subject to HUNGER, DEHYDRATION, RAPE, AND MURDER? i know i sound dramatic, but FUCK! THIS IS FUCKING DRAMATIC! DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THESE PEOPLE CHOSE THIS? do you really think that they thought, "well, this could potentially be the biggest catastrophe in american history, i could die from lack of food or water, or from heat exhaustion, or die from rape or murder, but im pretty sure i can ride it out." i cant imagine how you or anyone can place blame on the VICTIMS of hunger, dehydration, rape, AND/OR death. i dont think that anyone is blaming the government for not pushing everyone out of the city "kicking and screaming." people are putting blame on the government for taking FOUR DAYS to respond. how can you say that a president isnt to blame for not coming to these peoples rescue on FUCKING SUNDAY NIGHT? federal help (if you can even call it that) didnt arrive until THURSDAY! can you even fathom that? or can you please explain to me why condoleezza was seeing spamalot and spending $5,000 shoe shopping at ferragamo on fifth avenue in new york city on WEDNESDAY?

i cant believe you people who think that you can put ANY blame on the victims. i mean have you even seen the footage on tv or in the paper? can you honestly look at these people, the dying and the dead, the elderly and the children and say, "well, they knew the hurricane was coming- they should have gotten out." if you can, youre sick. so so sick. and id be amazed and sorry if anyone ever loves you.



um, anyway, heres an interesting article:

Rapes, killings hit Katrina refugees in New Orleans

oh and for the record, according to FEMA it would have taken at least 72 hours to completely evacuate new orleans. the evacuation alert was given 48 hours before the hurricane hit.
oh the drudgery of being wet
Posted  Sunday, September 4, 2005 at 5:17 AM
Post 9 of 89
I have no doubt that if this had been a city with fewer poor and a smaller African-American community it would have been taken care of with all possible resources, in much less time. Even reporters on news channels with a conservative bent were astounded at the lack of relief four days after the hurricane. In fact, by Thursday everyone started to see what was going on. The mayor of Detroit announced that 450 MICHAGAN National Guard units were going to be sent to New Orleans. Other states were doing more than the federal government.

Then, magically, the next day dozens helicopters and amphibious vehicles went pouring in. Finally, after five days of starvation, dehydration, disease, heat and violence, they went in with guns blazing. Is it just me or does all this "too little, too late" stuff seem like damage control for the PR machine? Bush himself even went to some sites, such as Biloxi, where he toured the rural areas, met with survivors and tried to look like he wasn't afraid of catching cooties.

Of course, an accurate count of those that died because of inaction will never be possible. No one will bother to distinguish the bodies that died in the initial wave, when the levy broke, from those that died in the days following. Nor can the count include those that contracted various diseases from the the contaminated water and will die later.

Some reporters noted that the "haves" got out over the weekend. Maybe they waited long enough to get rid of some of the "undesirables" without getting their hands dirty. Whatever the motives were they sure weren't very interested in helping out a bunch of poor black people.
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Posted  Sunday, September 4, 2005 at 10:09 AM
Post 10 of 89
"Quote from stopforme on Sep. 4, 2005 at 7:08 AM"
so. i must know, do you think that these people were aware of what was coming? do you think that they had any idea that they couldnt trust the flood gates and that 80% of the city would be flooded? do you think that they knew that even if they were stranded that they would be subject to HUNGER, DEHYDRATION, RAPE, AND MURDER? i know i sound dramatic, but FUCK! THIS IS FUCKING DRAMATIC! DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THESE PEOPLE CHOSE THIS? do you really think that they thought, "well, this could potentially be the biggest catastrophe in american history, i could die from lack of food or water, or from heat exhaustion, or die from rape or murder, but im pretty sure i can ride it out." i cant imagine how you or anyone can place blame on the VICTIMS of hunger, dehydration, rape, AND/OR death. i dont think that anyone is blaming the government for not pushing everyone out of the city "kicking and screaming." people are putting blame on the government for taking FOUR DAYS to respond. how can you say that a president isnt to blame for not coming to these peoples rescue on FUCKING SUNDAY NIGHT? federal help (if you can even call it that) didnt arrive until THURSDAY! can you even fathom that?
I couldn't agree more. Yes, some of them chose to stay. It was a mistake not to evacuate, but a mistake that shouldn't have been punished with such drastic devestation.

Is it realistic to think that such a large city would be able or be willing to evacuate on such a short notice? did anyone really expect NOLA to be 100% empty by the time the storm hit? Realistically, after even a mandatory evacuation, you have to know that some people will have neither the financial nor the physical means to leave the city, and you also have to take into consideration that nothing could have prepared the people who chose to stay for what they were in for. My mother (who lives in MS) even said to me, "you know how the news is; they over dramatize these things sometimes." I'm sure several people who have lived through hurricanes in NOLA before felt exactly the same way and felt no real need to leave.

the government is to blame because they should have been ready for this. Some of the citizens of NOLA didn't think it was going to be such a devastating storm but officials did. for that reason, they should have been on STANDBY ready with an evacuation plan. Instead, the few buses that tried to come in were confinscated by the city and the people who were not trapped in the superdome were sneaked out of the city like criminals.

george bush flying over MS and LA makes me want to puke. wave to the nice africans from your fucking cushy jet you goddamn asshole. Why should you care if there are people shitting on themselves and babies sleeping in urine? It's not YOUR fault there was a hurricane. I know he was there to survey the scene and show support for the victims, but every minute that something wasn't being done was another death. I watched a press conference with LA senators who said they were in air force one with him and apparently SHOWING him the destruction is what finally made it click: this is a huge fucking disaster. Not only should it not have taken 5 days for him to catch up, it should have been prevented to the best extent possible.

This is the sort of thing government is supposed to be used for - to help its citizens cope and recover when a national tragedy occurs. that pig fucker has been so busy trying to rule the world that he forgot to take care of his own country. Any day now, he's going to be declaring a war on wind.


ps did anybody else see Kayne West say on national televiion that "george bush doesn't care about black people" He also said "I hate the way they portray us in the media. If you see a black family, it says they're looting. See a white family, it says they're looking for food."
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Posted  Sunday, September 4, 2005 at 11:13 AM
Post 11 of 89
Just reading the news and it said something along the lines of "OFFICAL: THOUSANDS DEAD." So we have offical word that we still don't know the deathtoll but it is clear in the thousands...ugh.
I doubt there will ever be a soild death toll what with all of the corpses that were already dead but now floating out of their above ground graves getting into the mix. this is just disgusting.
New Orleans has a long road ahead of itself if it ever wants to recover. personally i even doubt if it is worth trying to rebuild the place with all the chemicals and disease that are flowing into every structure and into the ground.
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Posted  Monday, September 5, 2005 at 11:07 AM
Post 12 of 89
"Quote from SuperElk on Sep. 4, 2005 at 4:13 PM"
personally i even doubt if it is worth trying to rebuild the place with all the chemicals and disease that are flowing into every structure and into the ground.
I agree. I wonder if it is worth the billions of dollars it is going to take. I think we should just clean it up and always remember it fondly. If we're going to spend billions of dollars it might as well go to helping families get back on their feet, building more houses and schools and hospitals in the rapidly growing areas of the south.
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Posted  Monday, September 5, 2005 at 11:15 AM
Post 13 of 89
"Quote from stalker on skates on Sep. 5, 2005 at 11:07 AM"
"Quote from SuperElk on Sep. 4, 2005 at 4:13 PM"
personally i even doubt if it is worth trying to rebuild the place with all the chemicals and disease that are flowing into every structure and into the ground.
I agree. I wonder if it is worth the billions of dollars it is going to take. I think we should just clean it up and always remember it fondly. If we're going to spend billions of dollars it might as well go to helping families get back on their feet, building more houses and schools and hospitals in the rapidly growing areas of the south.
I also agree. Didn't a senator or representative get in hot water for having that same opinion, though?
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Posted  Tuesday, September 6, 2005 at 12:13 PM
Post 14 of 89
WOW I am so upset I just had a huge reply to all this. edit- (and I lost it all somehow)

Basically you can't blame Bush. Please, someone try and tell me how it is in his hands. I'll just wait and go piece by piece if anyone can give me anything. I'm up for finding out how we can do this better, and, if there is negligence, then remedying that, too.

Ah, I'm so frazzled after losing all that.

let's see- making this about race? Come on, Kanye. What kind of fact is that based upon?

It took some National Guard friends 3 days just to get supplies together and get to the people who needed them. These things take time.

Oh yeah. THere are still a lot of people left who want to be there. THe Marines might just have to force them out. There are others who didn't want to help themselves. THey could have had food and water in an emergency pack prepared. Nope. They were just going to blame the government for them going hungry. I talked about how it's a mentality of having someone else prvide for you, instead of taking intitiative. Then, when it doesn't work out the way you thought it would, the blame can be on someone else, or, in this case, Bush.

I'm quiting. Not even going to take the time to fix errors. Tell me how it's Bush's fault that there was a few days where people had no food.

(Edited by foldsfan at 11:18 am on Sep. 6, 2005)
Posted  Tuesday, September 6, 2005 at 1:14 PM
Post 15 of 89
"Quote from foldsfan on Sep. 3, 2005 at 10:06 PM"
"Quote from sinasugarsick on Sep. 2, 2005 at 2:47 PM"

those who should've taken charge sat around with their thumbs in their asses
I'm pretty sure these people who should've taken charge are the people we're now having to rescue. (most of them at least). i'm seeing able bodied men and women who decided to wait it out. These people have been through hurricanes before and thought they would be fine after this one.

It was their decision to stay. (most of those people) I really haven't heard too many reports of people saying that they were too poor to leave. Some that have been sick or feable and old. There was an evacuation attempt beforehand.

You can't make people leave. How mad would you be if "the people in charge" (Bush?) had ordered everyone out. Pulled people kicking and screaming from their homes, forcing them to move North and then no hurricane comes or it misses the city. What kind of assault on civil liberties would that be? To put blame on a whole party is crazy and irrational. ANd I can understand anyone who cares about life and people to be irrational right now. but I really hope in the next week, that there isn't more blaming a president for people exercising their free will and staying in the city.
you must be confusing your fucking muppets christmas with the news coverage of hurricane katrina.

NO, those who should've taken charge aren't the people we're having to rescue. those who should've taken charge are the ones now saying 'well it's not our fault' walking around new orleans in starched polos. michael chertoff deserves his throat slit.

i have no idea why you chose to comment on something you obviously don't have a fucking clue about. the superdome and the convention center where the evacuation shelters they - as in the (if you could possibly imaging) lower class that didn't have the means to leave - were told to go to. they were told that help would be there. you know, a safe place like maybe a SHELTER. but after the hurricane HELP DIDN'T COME. and the people at the convention center got less than that.

get a fucking clue, joey. this isn't some partisan bullshit, i'm not blaming a who fucking party. i blame george bush not as our shitty ass president that had to cut his vacation short. i'm blaming george bush as the LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY as pathetic as he may be. and i blame michael chertoff. not because he's a fucking republican, but because he is the director of HOMELAND SECURITY. not iraq security, not afghanistan security, not the tsumani relief security, but our h o m e l a n d. anyone feeling secure? this asshole had the nerve to imply that reports of thousands of people stranded in new orleans was a rumour. are you fucking kidding me!

and here's some quotes for you and your psuedo christian republican friends:
mitt romney, republican governor of massachusetts, said, "we are an embarrassment to the world."
david vitter, republican senator from louisiana, said he gave the federal government a grade of 'F' for it's response to this disaster.

now you're free to go and tell us all how the election in iraq is going.

oh wait, i don't give a fuck.

(Edited by sinasugarsick at 1:24 pm on Sep. 6, 2005)
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Posted  Tuesday, September 6, 2005 at 3:39 PM
Post 16 of 89
You guys are so mean to each other.

Even if I did want to share my opinion on the issue (which I don't), I would be afraid to do it for fear of being verbally raped by one side or another. Is it not possible to have a discussion or debate without F-bombs and personal attacks?
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Posted  Tuesday, September 6, 2005 at 4:13 PM
Post 17 of 89
"Quote from jamiecarroll on Sep. 6, 2005 at 2:39 PM"
You guys are so mean to each other.

Even if I did want to share my opinion on the issue (which I don't), I would be afraid to do it for fear of being verbally raped by one side or another. Is it not possible to have a discussion or debate without F-bombs and personal attacks?
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Posted  Tuesday, September 6, 2005 at 10:14 PM
Post 18 of 89
"Quote from sinasugarsick on Sep. 6, 2005 at 6:14 PM"

and i blame michael chertoff. not because he's a fucking republican, but because he is the director of HOMELAND SECURITY. not iraq security, not afghanistan security, not the tsumani relief security, but our h o m e l a n d. anyone feeling secure?
holy shit! I KNOW! I think I already mentioned this, but if bush would spend less time trying to take over the world, he might be able to do the job he was (unfortunately) elected for. that job is that run our country. too busy blowing kids up to offer help to your own citizens, you fucking douchebag?

and here's a quick response to foldsfan. No, it is not george bush's fault that there was a hurricane. The bottom line is when help arrived it was way too little way too fucking late and someone is responsable for that. we can't blame the whole thing entirely on bush; several arrogant bastards were having too much fun at their tea parties to realize or care what was going on, and I blame all of them.

I never made the claim that this is about race. I was just informing you guys that someone had said what half the nation is thinking on national TV and I thought it was interesting. the truth of the matter is those people were neglected, regardless of why: race, poverty, general incompetance, and they were left there to die on the highway.

there, i got through that with minimal cursing and zero personal attacking.
thank you for being a friend.
Posted  Tuesday, September 6, 2005 at 10:33 PM
Post 19 of 89
"Quote from sinasugarsick on Sep. 6, 2005 at 12:14 PM"
"Quote from foldsfan on Sep. 3, 2005 at 10:06 PM"
"Quote from sinasugarsick on Sep. 2, 2005 at 2:47 PM"

those who should've taken charge sat around with their thumbs in their asses
I'm pretty sure these people who should've taken charge are the people we're now having to rescue. (most of them at least). i'm seeing able bodied men and women who decided to wait it out. These people have been through hurricanes before and thought they would be fine after this one.

It was their decision to stay. (most of those people) I really haven't heard too many reports of people saying that they were too poor to leave. Some that have been sick or feable and old. There was an evacuation attempt beforehand.

You can't make people leave. How mad would you be if "the people in charge" (Bush?) had ordered everyone out. Pulled people kicking and screaming from their homes, forcing them to move North and then no hurricane comes or it misses the city. What kind of assault on civil liberties would that be? To put blame on a whole party is crazy and irrational. ANd I can understand anyone who cares about life and people to be irrational right now. but I really hope in the next week, that there isn't more blaming a president for people exercising their free will and staying in the city.
you must be confusing your fucking muppets christmas with the news coverage of hurricane katrina.

NO, those who should've taken charge aren't the people we're having to rescue. those who should've taken charge are the ones now saying 'well it's not our fault' walking around new orleans in starched polos. michael chertoff deserves his throat slit.

i have no idea why you chose to comment on something you obviously don't have a fucking clue about. the superdome and the convention center where the evacuation shelters they - as in the (if you could possibly imaging) lower class that didn't have the means to leave - were told to go to. they were told that help would be there. you know, a safe place like maybe a SHELTER. but after the hurricane HELP DIDN'T COME. and the people at the convention center got less than that.

get a fucking clue, joey. this isn't some partisan bullshit, i'm not blaming a who fucking party. i blame george bush not as our shitty ass president that had to cut his vacation short. i'm blaming george bush as the LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY as pathetic as he may be. and i blame michael chertoff. not because he's a fucking republican, but because he is the director of HOMELAND SECURITY. not iraq security, not afghanistan security, not the tsumani relief security, but our h o m e l a n d. anyone feeling secure? this asshole had the nerve to imply that reports of thousands of people stranded in new orleans was a rumour. are you fucking kidding me!

and here's some quotes for you and your psuedo christian republican friends:
mitt romney, republican governor of massachusetts, said, "we are an embarrassment to the world."
david vitter, republican senator from louisiana, said he gave the federal government a grade of 'F' for it's response to this disaster.

now you're free to go and tell us all how the election in iraq is going.

oh wait, i don't give a fuck.
I promise I'm not trying to be mean to anyone.

I'm just trying to look at the facts of the matter. One fact- The Governor of ths state, I'm not even sure what party affiliation he has and don't want to even look it up because it does not matter to me, has control of the National Guard in times of an emergency UNTIL he turns it over to the Federal govt. which was done on Thursday, I think. The local govt holds the reigns. When 9-11 happened, if you'll remember, it was the Mayor and the Fire Chief and the Police Chief that were in charge. I';m sure everyone dropped the ball in this case. Everyone could have done something better. INCLUDING the people who DECIDED to stay. I think we should point everyone's faults here. I hear people saying that it was Bush's Homeland Security plans that cut spending on the levee situation, but he was the first President to give any money at all to remedy that problem. Not even Clinton wanted to start to foot the bill for the reconstruction. It's been decades since we knew this was going to happen. It's been at least years since the people of New Orleans knew that this was going to happen. These people were warned. If you live in a hurrcnae prone area, you need to have a plan of staying alive, for yourself, not hope that the government can pull you through. Who wants to put faith in those people? Well, people who are already putting their families' future in the hands of the government through welfare and other means. Relying on the government will get you at best nowhere. Being self-sufficient, even barely, will always pay off in some way.

There was a mandatory evacuation issued. The Superdome was given as a LAST resort for the people who DECIDED to stay or the people who didn't have the means to leave. I hate seeing all those buses parked with no one in them.

Still haven't heard how anyone has all the details to where they can point a finger and blame any one person. It looks like a communication breakdown across the board.

I just remembered, in my lost post I commented on how I was disgusted at all the photo ops I was seeing. Such as Condoleeza loading a truck with boxes of food in her white suit.

I'm sorry to suggest that anyone was being partisan.

love,
joey
Posted  Tuesday, September 6, 2005 at 11:54 PM
Post 20 of 89
"Quote from jamiecarroll on Sep. 6, 2005 at 2:39 PM"
You guys are so mean to each other.

Even if I did want to share my opinion on the issue (which I don't), I would be afraid to do it for fear of being verbally raped by one side or another. Is it not possible to have a discussion or debate without F-bombs and personal attacks?
no, its not possible for me to have a "discussion" about this without "fucks" and personal attacks. sorry, but people are dead and dying and i feel no need for social tact. its too important for that.
oh the drudgery of being wet
Posted  Wednesday, September 7, 2005 at 12:41 AM
Post 21 of 89
I still don't hear what more Bush could have done. Why is it that Bush's name has been brought up and not the Mayor or Governor? Why? In my eyes, because it's not about blaming the people responsible. It;s about using whatever you can to bring down someone you don't agree with politically.

The Federal govt. cannot come into a state until the governor gives permission. Permission was given Wednesday. Troops were in Thursday. What more do you want than less than a day's reaction, organisation, and communication. I hear the Mayor's strong words towards the Feds. He knows he didn't do everything he could have. He knows the city was his to prepare and he didn't do his best. He did okay. but not good enough. He needs to put blame where he can right now. Tactics.

It's up to the states and local government to provide for their cities. Would you want the Federal government making an escape plan for Nashville? No, that's why it's setup for the immediate help to come from the people who know the area, the evacuation routes, etc, best. The Federal government can then come in and help where help it is needed in the major ways such as choppers, keeping the peace if the local authorities can't. Well, that's what they're doing now. Imperfectly. I'm not sure who could've done it perfectly.

We've never seen anything like this before. We had never seen anything like the attacks in New York before. Have they happened again, yet? No, not yet. Have there been thwarted attempts? Seems like we've been protected so far.
Posted  Wednesday, September 7, 2005 at 1:07 AM
Post 22 of 89
"Quote from stopforme on Sep. 6, 2005 at 10:54 PM"
"Quote from jamiecarroll on Sep. 6, 2005 at 2:39 PM"
You guys are so mean to each other.  

Even if I did want to share my opinion on the issue (which I don't), I would be afraid to do it for fear of being verbally raped by one side or another.  Is it not possible to have a discussion or debate without F-bombs and personal attacks?
no, its not possible for me to have a "discussion" about this without "fucks" and personal attacks. sorry, but people are dead and dying and i feel no need for social tact. its too important for that.
on this message board, people are often needlessly mean and hateful to one another (though admittedly often for the sake of comedy). but if people are suggesting (and continue to suggest) that any of the people who are dead, dying, stranded, homeless, malnourished, scared and angry should in any way feel responsible for their tragedy, then i say that crude language and sharpness are fucking in order.
people are dead. people's lives are in shambles. people felt completely abandoned by their leaders. what i feel for them is absolutely nothing but sadness and anger. how ANYONE, especially now, so soon after, can begin think in "they should've taken charge"s and "they were warned"s is way way really way beyond me. i mean, i can't even fathom it. i can't believe it exists.
Posted  Wednesday, September 7, 2005 at 1:26 AM
Post 23 of 89
I believe in personal responsibility. Something I think is lacking in today's society. It's always someone else's fault. Who didn't prepare for me? Why am I not eating right now?

I don't believe in a society lacking of compassion. I don't think we're living in one. Look at all the help that's going out. Look at what you and I have done.

I'm not saying all the people who are stranded right now and not all who are dead are to blame for their plight. Some really couldn't get out.

Some that are dead asked for it. They stayed. Can anyone deny that? Can anyone deny that there are still people staying and willing to die in their homes with no food or clean water?

But, if we are playing the blame game and not just offering up sympathies and saying how hurt we are by the situation and how caring we are for the people and the children who had no say in things, whose parents put them in the way of danger, then how can we start at Bush?

That's what I'm saying.
Posted  Wednesday, September 7, 2005 at 8:55 AM
Post 24 of 89
The blame lies with several top level jackasses...including Bush. It's a trait of the republican administration to NEVER TO ADMIT FAILURE OR BE WRONG ABOUT ANYTHING and blame is always dropped on someone elses head. My advice, be adults for once and admit you fucked up on this one. I'll let you apologize for Iraq later:

"Quote"
In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

The Newhouse News Service article published Tuesday night observed, "The Louisiana congressional delegation urged Congress earlier this year to dedicate a stream of federal money to Louisiana's coast, only to be opposed by the White House. ... In its budget, the Bush administration proposed a significant reduction in funding for southeast Louisiana's chief hurricane protection project. Bush proposed $10.4 million, a sixth of what local officials say they need."

Read the whole story here: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/ne...t_id=1001051313

I'm sure that with plenty of evidence Bush et al won't take the fall for last/this weeks blunders. Seems none of them ever have to step up and answer for their pathetic attempts as leaders.

(Edited by holeypeacoat at 9:43 am on Sep. 9, 2005)
Be still Cody! Be still!!!
Posted  Wednesday, September 7, 2005 at 10:47 AM
Post 25 of 89
Foldsfan, I don't need to be a Republican prick to admit that you're making excellent points. I think people are getting way too one-sided and using this as a catalyst for their political agendas (no not on this messageboard, but on CNN etc). The emphasis should be on the disease that will spread, how we can help those who still haven't gotten out, and how we can convince those unAmerican folks who refuse to leave.

Of course, I've been called a racist and closet Republican on this messageboard, so what do I know.

P.S. Fuck
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Posted  Wednesday, September 7, 2005 at 4:07 PM
Post 26 of 89
I like Barack Obama's take on the whole "Why didn't these people just leave" question:

"What must be said is that whoever was in charge of planning and preparing for the worst case scenario appeared to assume that every American has the capacity to load up their family in an SUV, fill it up with $100 worth of gasoline, stick some bottled water in the trunk, and use a credit card to check in to a hotel on safe ground. I see no evidence of active malice, but I see a continuation of passive indifference on the part of our government towards the least of these."
Posted  Friday, September 9, 2005 at 12:40 PM
Post 27 of 89
What about reports of levee repair funds being used in the more lucrative, although less water resistant, casino business?
We'll miss you Mr. Hooper.
Posted  Saturday, September 10, 2005 at 6:13 PM
Post 28 of 89
"Quote from damon on Sep. 9, 2005 at 12:40 PM"
What about reports of levee repair funds being used in the more lucrative, although less water resistant, casino business?
please elaborate
she's just another ho that i met in the hood
i told her i was crunchy black and it was all good
Posted  Saturday, September 10, 2005 at 6:53 PM
Post 29 of 89
"Quote from foldsfan on Sep. 6, 2005 at 10:33 PM"

I'm just trying to look at the facts of the matter. One fact- The Governor of ths state, I'm not even sure what party affiliation he has and don't want to even look it up because it does not matter to me, has control of the National Guard in times of an emergency UNTIL he turns it over to the Federal govt. which was done on Thursday, I think. The local govt holds the reigns.

your president declared a federal state of emergency for louisiana 2 days before the hurricane hit. did you know that? do you know what that means?

AP August, 27, 2005
CRAWFORD, Texas - President Bush declared a state of emergency in Louisiana on Saturday because of the approach of Hurricane Katrina and his spokesman urged residents along the coast to heed authorities' advice to evacuate.

Bush, vacationing at his ranch, was being regularly updated about the storm, which is expected to hit land early Monday, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

Officials from the Federal Emergency Management Agency continue to coordinate with state authorities in Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama, and have prepositioned supplies in areas expected to be affected, he said.

The president's emergency declaration authorizes the FEMA to coordinate all disaster relief efforts and to provide appropriate assistance in a number of Louisiana parishes, or counties.


and the governor is kathleen blanco, a woman. and, yes, a democrat.
she's just another ho that i met in the hood
i told her i was crunchy black and it was all good
Posted  Saturday, September 10, 2005 at 8:54 PM
Post 30 of 89
"Quote from foldsfan on Sep. 7, 2005 at 1:26 AM"
I believe in personal responsibility. Something I think is lacking in today's society. It's always someone else's fault. Who didn't prepare for me? Why am I not eating right now?
so you're seriously going to play the personal responsibility game in a fucking hurricane catastrophe?

these people were given 48 hours to evacuate. it would've taken at least another 24 hours. a great great great many of these were working class people. go look it up in a dictionary or google image it so you can see what one looks like. working class people that had to work for a living. living paycheck to paycheck. they had families to support, not fucking band funds. many had to use public transportation because they had no cars or minivans or suvs. you seriously think these people had the means to walk away from their jobs and pile the kids up in what? and afford or find a place to stay for what we now know will be months. you seriously think that they could comprehend that they were going to lose every single thing they worked hard for, the only thing that they had that was theirs?

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I don't believe in a society lacking of compassion. I don't think we're living in one. Look at all the help that's going out. Look at what you and I have done.

i'm sorry, what exactly have you done? there is a society lacking of compassion and you seem to be the captain of the ship, brother.

my oldest daughter and i recently spent some time with a large extended family of evacuees from new orleans. they made it out with nothing. by the time they contacted most of the family members the hurricane was already there. between at least 13 of them they had 1 van and enough gas money to make it to tn. one of the ladies had 2 twin infants and a 5 year old. there wasn't enough room for everyone so her husband had to stay and he ended up being sent to houston. her cousin has a baby and a toddler and her husband had to stay, too. as of tuesday he was still in new orleans trying to get out. to see these women scared and missing their husbands and these kids absolutely terrified and missing their dads and to know that you're sitting around saying 'they deserved this' and 'they should've gotten out' makes me very very very angry. families have been torn apart in 10 different ways and you want to come in with your heartless bullshit. kicking people while they're down. at their lowest.

"Quote"
I'm not saying all the people who are stranded right now and not all who are dead are to blame for their plight. Some really couldn't get out.

Some that are dead asked for it. They stayed. Can anyone deny that? Can anyone deny that there are still people staying and willing to die in their homes with no food or clean water?

did i miss your september 11th speech on how the people in the twin towers deserved to die because the world trade center had been bombed before in 1993 and 6 people had been killed and they knew that these terrorists' plans had been to completely demolish the twin towers and they knew that Ramzi Yousef was quoted as saying - after being shown by the FBI that the towers were still standing - 'Well next time I'll have more money, I'll come back and I'll bring those towers down'.

where does it end with you? if she hadn't been wearing that dress she wouldn't have been raped. she was asking for it, she deserved it she should've taken personal responsibility. really, where does it end?

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But, if we are playing the blame game and not just offering up sympathies and saying how hurt we are by the situation and how caring we are for the people and the children who had no say in things, whose parents put them in the way of danger, then how can we start at Bush?
That's what I'm saying
48 hours before the hurricane hit i had very little money, that monday i didn't have a dime. if i had been in the situation that the people of new orleans were in there would have been no way my girls and i could have left. we would've only been able to go as far as our car would let us and then what? we would've had to have gone to one of the shelters. see i don't have a mommy and daddy that hands me money, nor do i have a credit card. i can't even fathom what i would've said to my girls for them to realize that they had to choose what they really wanted to bring with them and know that they would never see the rest again.

but instead, i woke up tuesday knowing that i had a paycheck coming in a couple of days. i went to my kitchen full of food and opened my refrigerator full of food. i went into the girls' room while they were still asleep and cozy in their beds and looked around at the myscene doll heaven and at all of the great books and straightened up the multiple pairs of converse allstars under their beds and realized for the first time in a very very long time that i had alot to be thankful for.
and at any time it could all be gone.

man for you to say these people deserved this. death, starvation, physical abuse, rape, emotional and traumatic stress and the loss of everything. i can't imagine ever being friends with someone who would think such things. i'm disgusted. very very angry and disgusted.
she's just another ho that i met in the hood
i told her i was crunchy black and it was all good
Posted  Sunday, September 11, 2005 at 1:50 AM
Post 31 of 89
Gotta say, she makes some good points (though the 9/11 reference is a bit of a stretch...)

I've had nothing to say about all this that hasn't been said. I'm very sad for the people of New Orleans and other affected cities. I think Bush is an idiot, but I pretty much always have and voted for both of the other guys, so it really serves no purpose for me to point to this as evidence, because isn't it common knowledge at this point anyway? I feel guilty I haven't done more than throw in a dollar here and there when I see donation containers. I guess I've become numb after what seems to have become quite the string of tragedies.

Basically, I feel that what's done is done. Many people are screwed. The government fucked up. Neither of those things are going to change. Pointing fingers isn't really helpful.
I TOTALLY AGREE!


Keith, you are destined to rock. Never forget this.
-SLACK

Posted  Sunday, September 11, 2005 at 3:16 PM
Post 32 of 89
"Quote from Keith on Sep. 11, 2005 at 12:50 AM"
Basically, I feel that what's done is done. Many people are screwed. The government fucked up. Neither of those things are going to change. Pointing fingers isn't really helpful.
it also isnt helpful to just sit back and conceed that there is nothing that we can do, or that anyone could have done to help or prevent this. i dont trust our government and i never will, no matter if the president is republican, democrat, white, black, rev al sharpton, jesus christ, or even barak obama himself. im never going to just admit that there is nothing that i can do about the despair(ities) in this country and then forgive myself for it. im not giving up and neither should anyone who gives a shit enough to add their 2cents on the subject.
oh the drudgery of being wet
Posted  Sunday, September 11, 2005 at 7:50 PM
Post 33 of 89
"Quote from stopforme on Sep. 11, 2005 at 2:16 PM"
"Quote from Keith on Sep. 11, 2005 at 12:50 AM"
Basically, I feel that what's done is done. Many people are screwed. The government fucked up. Neither of those things are going to change. Pointing fingers isn't really helpful.
it also isnt helpful to just sit back and conceed that there is nothing that we can do, or that anyone could have done to help or prevent this. i dont trust our government and i never will, no matter if the president is republican, democrat, white, black, rev al sharpton, jesus christ, or even barak obama himself. im never going to just admit that there is nothing that i can do about the despair(ities) in this country and then forgive myself for it. im not giving up and neither should anyone who gives a shit enough to add their 2cents on the subject.
Definitely, stopforme. I think that's the best thing to do. Keep fighting for what you think is right. I also understand how Keith feels, but I do think the private organizations are doing a great job. Now, i'm not going to say what I have done, plan to do, or how much I've funded people, Sina. I don't believe in that. I think my charitable contributions are private and I only want the people I'm giving to to prosper; if people knew what I did, then it would be helping us both out. I'd be getting a return. I don't think that's right.

So, if you want to think I ran my water all day, pointed my aeresol can toward NO in hopes to create another hurricane(some are attributing it to global warming), and have pissed on every evacuee I've come in contact with because I just don't have any feeling, then okay.

i kind of give up for now, because I think we could go back and forth for days, which I don't think is healthy because I don't like where you're taking it, and if you seriously think the things you say about me, I'd rather keep what little respect you have for me in tact, because even though I never see you, I do care about what happens to you and your family. I'm glad you're well.

It seems to me that people ONLY want to blame Bush. I don't see that as fair or looking at all the facts. Hopefully the commision setup by whoever ® and lieberman (D) can find out everyone who was at fault. After reading the story Holey posted, thank you, it looks like you can definitely throw in Bush's name along with the Mayor and Governor AND everyone who stayed because they didn't WANT to leave. A lot of people dropped the ball. That's my point. I really hope I never said it wasn't Bush somewhere along the way. okay. Maybe I'll come back to this when I have the energy\time. The wind was taken out of my sails when I lost that very long, fairly well written post awhile ago.

Thank you, my damns.
Posted  Sunday, September 11, 2005 at 7:59 PM
Post 34 of 89
"Quote from sinasugarsick on Sep. 10, 2005 at 5:53 PM"
"Quote from foldsfan on Sep. 6, 2005 at 10:33 PM"

I'm just trying to look at the facts of the matter. One fact- The Governor of ths state, I'm not even sure what party affiliation he has and don't want to even look it up because it does not matter to me, has control of the National Guard in times of an emergency UNTIL he turns it over to the Federal govt. which was done on Thursday, I think. The local govt holds the reigns.

your president declared a federal state of emergency for louisiana 2 days before the hurricane hit. did you know that? do you know what that means?

AP August, 27, 2005
CRAWFORD, Texas - President Bush declared a state of emergency in Louisiana on Saturday because of the approach of Hurricane Katrina and his spokesman urged residents along the coast to heed authorities' advice to evacuate.

Bush, vacationing at his ranch, was being regularly updated about the storm, which is expected to hit land early Monday, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

Officials from the Federal Emergency Management Agency continue to coordinate with state authorities in Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama, and have prepositioned supplies in areas expected to be affected, he said.

The president's emergency declaration authorizes the FEMA to coordinate all disaster relief efforts and to provide appropriate assistance in a number of Louisiana parishes, or counties.


and the governor is kathleen blanco, a woman. and, yes, a democrat.
Do you know what that means?

Please, tell me. Because I don't think you know. And that's okay. Most people probably think that means that the President or FEMA have full authority. Is that what you are getting from this article, ms. sinasugarhott?
Posted  Tuesday, September 13, 2005 at 9:05 AM
Post 35 of 89
The head of FEMA seems to think he was one of the big winners in the Blame Game.

(Ironically, in making this post too soon after my last post, I activated "flood control")
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Posted  Tuesday, September 13, 2005 at 7:10 PM
Post 36 of 89
uh, in regards to Katrina aftermath my negrometer detected significant traces of racism... 'bout 42.5%

there are things being overlooked.
Posted  Tuesday, September 13, 2005 at 9:47 PM
Post 37 of 89
"Quote from chrisanthemum7 on Sep. 13, 2005 at 7:10 PM"
uh, in regards to Katrina aftermath my negrometer detected significant traces of racism... 'bout 42.5%

there are things being overlooked.
You honestly don't think the issue of race is being addressed here? Seems like it's been discussed pretty extensively thus far.
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Posted  Wednesday, September 14, 2005 at 8:33 PM
Post 38 of 89
I'm surprised no one has commented on how proud they were of Bush for coming forward and admitting responsibility for the lack of a speedy federal reaction.
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Posted  Thursday, September 15, 2005 at 10:15 PM
Post 39 of 89
"Quote from carligula on Sep. 14, 2005 at 2:47 AM"
"Quote from chrisanthemum7 on Sep. 13, 2005 at 7:10 PM"
uh, in regards to Katrina aftermath my negrometer detected significant traces of racism... 'bout 42.5%

there are things being overlooked.
You honestly don't think the issue of race is being addressed here? Seems like it's been discussed pretty extensively thus far.
I haven't heard much about it, to be perfectly honest. Sure, all my friends talk about it, but we're not on the news.
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Posted  Thursday, September 15, 2005 at 10:31 PM
Post 40 of 89
"Quote from carligula on Sep. 14, 2005 at 8:33 PM"
I'm surprised no one has commented on how proud they were of Bush for coming forward and admitting responsibility for the lack of a speedy federal reaction.
thanks, bush, for taking some responsibility for failing to provide the citizens of america adequate help in handling our nation's largest catastrophe after refusing to take any blame what so ever earlier.

stepping up and admitting this really makes up for all the people that have died. i'm so proud of you that i almost forgot about the 700 bodies they've found so far.

good bless america
she's just another ho that i met in the hood
i told her i was crunchy black and it was all good
Posted  Friday, September 16, 2005 at 2:37 PM
Post 41 of 89
i actually was surprised and relieved that he actually has testicles.

i swore that he would never do it, and then he proved me wrong. i was at least happy to know that he knows how angry we are.
oh the drudgery of being wet
Posted  Sunday, September 18, 2005 at 2:34 AM
Post 42 of 89
I don't understand all of the anger myself. It's not like someone planned the hurricane. I'm sure everyone's doing their best to help all those folks out.
What.
Posted  Sunday, September 18, 2005 at 11:53 AM
Post 43 of 89
"Quote from Brian on Sep. 18, 2005 at 2:34 AM"
I'm sure everyone's doing their best to help all those folks out.
You should start watching CNN.
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Posted  Monday, September 19, 2005 at 12:47 AM
Post 44 of 89
"Quote from carligula on Sep. 18, 2005 at 10:53 AM"
"Quote from Brian on Sep. 18, 2005 at 2:34 AM"
I'm sure everyone's doing their best to help all those folks out.
You should start watching CNN.
According to CNN they are working mostly on getting the pets that were left behind. So it looks to me that everything was taken care of pretty well. I mean a hurricane hits a major US city with only around 550 deaths. It could have been a lot worse.
What.
Posted  Monday, September 19, 2005 at 12:33 PM
Post 45 of 89
"Quote from Brian on Sep. 19, 2005 at 5:47 AM"
It could have been a lot worse.
Yeah, they could have taken 5 days to do anything about it and let hundreds more die needlessly.
thank you for being a friend.
Posted  Monday, September 19, 2005 at 2:04 PM
Post 46 of 89
"Quote from Brian on Sep. 19, 2005 at 12:47 AM"
"Quote from carligula on Sep. 18, 2005 at 10:53 AM"
"Quote from Brian on Sep. 18, 2005 at 2:34 AM"
I'm sure everyone's doing their best to help all those folks out.
You should start watching CNN.
According to CNN they are working mostly on getting the pets that were left behind. So it looks to me that everything was taken care of pretty well. I mean a hurricane hits a major US city with only around 550 deaths. It could have been a lot worse.
I agree it could have been MUCH worse. It's great to see some real heroes on the news puting themselves in harm's way to help people out.

My primary point of contention was your statement that everyone is doing their best. You can't argue that some folks really dropped the ball on this one. I'd like to think that my tax money which goes to paying folks who deal in disaster planning actually pays folks who won't resign the second an actual disaster strikes.
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Posted  Monday, September 19, 2005 at 9:28 PM
Post 47 of 89
"Quote from stopforme on Sep. 16, 2005 at 2:37 PM"
i actually was surprised and relieved that he actually has testicles.
It does not take balls to bow to public pressure. The apologetic nature of the whole thing reeks of lack of responsibilty.
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Posted  Tuesday, September 20, 2005 at 1:06 AM
Post 48 of 89
"Quote from FeaturesTroll on Sep. 19, 2005 at 8:28 PM"
"Quote from stopforme on Sep. 16, 2005 at 2:37 PM"
i actually was surprised and relieved that he actually has testicles.
It does not take balls to bow to public pressure. The apologetic nature of the whole thing reeks of lack of responsibilty.
i have no idea what you mean. isnt apologizing what you do when you take responsibility? for once, i really agree with him: everyone could have done more. this is the first time this bastard has taken responsibility for ANY of his NUMEROUS mistakes! even i can appreciate it.
oh the drudgery of being wet
Posted  Tuesday, September 20, 2005 at 1:33 AM
Post 49 of 89
I guess we'll just have to disagree then. I just think that "sorry" doesn't count for a whole lot in a situation like this. Just seems like someone told him "the people will be less angry if you say you're sorry," and he's like "ok." It may not mean anything. Politicians say whatever people want to hear. It certainly doesn't take any balls to do that.</out of character>
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Posted  Tuesday, September 20, 2005 at 11:35 AM
Post 50 of 89
well for the record, im not any less angry.
but i think ive made my feelings about him and the situation pretty clear here.

(Edited by stopforme at 10:36 am on Sep. 20, 2005)
oh the drudgery of being wet
Posted  Tuesday, September 20, 2005 at 12:22 PM
Post 51 of 89
"Quote from FeaturesTroll on Sep. 20, 2005 at 6:33 AM"
Just seems like someone told him "the people will be less angry if you say you're sorry," and he's like "ok." It may not mean anything. Politicians say whatever people want to hear. It certainly doesn't take any balls to do that.</out of character>
I absolutely agree.
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Posted  Tuesday, September 20, 2005 at 1:25 PM
Post 52 of 89
"Quote from stalker on skates on Sep. 20, 2005 at 12:22 PM"
"Quote from FeaturesTroll on Sep. 20, 2005 at 6:33 AM"
Just seems like someone told him "the people will be less angry if you say you're sorry," and he's like "ok." It may not mean anything. Politicians say whatever people want to hear. It certainly doesn't take any balls to do that.</out of character>
I absolutely agree.
I disagree. I don't see how it furthers his carreer to have admitted fault. First, he's not up for re-election. And he's pretty much proven that, no matter how pissed off we get, his status as our Commander in Chief is pretty secure. Second, a vast majority of the people who spoke out against him were whiny bleeding-heart liberals who he'll never get respect from anyway. The way I see it, this will only harm how the Republicans view him as an infallible God-fearing Christian. The only real motivation I can see for this is that he's actually embarrassed and thinks he dropped the ball.

Plus, I don't think SFM was saying that she was surprised by what an amazing gesture it was-- just that is was SO OUT OF CHARACTER for W.
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Posted  Tuesday, September 20, 2005 at 3:24 PM
Post 53 of 89
From CNN.com (RE: Hurricane Rita):

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President Bush, the governor's older brother, issued a federal emergency declaration for the state of Florida, ordering federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts there.

More accusations of Bush discrimination in 5... 4... 3... 2...
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Posted  Tuesday, September 20, 2005 at 8:33 PM
Post 54 of 89
Did ya'll hear what Louis Farrakhan said?
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Posted  Tuesday, September 20, 2005 at 10:42 PM
Post 55 of 89
I was too lazy to read back and see if anyone mentioned this.


ROBERTSON BLAMES HURRICANE ON CHOICE OF ELLEN DEGENERES TO HOST EMMYS

Lesbian is New Orleans native


Hollywood – Pat Robertson on Sunday said that Hurricane Katrina was God’s way of expressing its anger at the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for its selection of Ellen Degeneres to host this year’s Emmy Awards. “By choosing an avowed lesbian for this national event, these Hollywood elites have clearly invited God’s wrath,” Robertson said on “The 700 Club” on Sunday. “Is it any surprise that the Almighty chose to strike at Miss Degeneres’ hometown?”

Robertson also noted that the last time Degeneres hosted the Emmys, in 2001, the September 11 terrorism attacks took place shortly before the ceremony.

“This is the second time in a row that God has invoked a disaster shortly before lesbian Ellen Degeneres hosted the Emmy Awards,” Robertson explained to his approximately one million viewers. “America is waiting for her to apologize for the death and destruction that her sexual deviance has brought onto this great nation.”

Robertson added that other tragedies of the past several years can be linked to Degeneres’ growing national prominence. September, 2003, for example, is both the month that her talk show debuted and when insurgents first gained a foothold in Iraq following the successful March invasion. “Now we know why things took a turn for the worse,” he explained.

In order to avoid further tragedy, Robertson called not only for the Television Academy to find a new heterosexual host, but to bar all homosexuals and bisexuals from taking part in the ceremony.

He said employees at the Christian Broadcasting Network had put together a list of 283 nominees, presenters, and invited guests at the Emmys known to be of sexually deviant persuasions.

“God already allows one awards show to promote the homosexual agenda,” Robertson declared. “But clearly He will not tolerate such sinful behavior to spread beyond the Tonys.”



AND IN OTHER RELATED OLD NEWS


Pat Robertson's Katrina Cash
Max Blumenthal


Every cloud has a silver lining. Hurricane Katrina has devastated New Orleans, leaving thousands dead and hundreds of thousands homeless, and plunging the entire city into chaos. In the hurricane's wake, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and its director, Michael Brown, forced out of his former job at the International Arabian Horse Association, with no credentials in disaster relief, have become targets of withering criticism. Yet FEMA's relief efforts have brought considerable assistance to at least one man who stands to benefit from Hurricane Katrina perhaps more than any other individual: Pat Robertson.

With the Bush Administration's approval, Robertson's $66 million relief organization, Operation Blessing, has been prominently featured on FEMA's list of charitable groups accepting donations for hurricane relief. Dozens of media outlets, including the New York Times, CNN and the Associated Press, duly reprinted FEMA's list, unwittingly acting as agents soliciting cash for Robertson. "How in the heck did that happen?" Richard Walden, president of the disaster-relief group Operation USA, asked of Operation Blessing's inclusion on FEMA's list. "That gives Pat Robertson millions of extra dollars."

Though Operation USA has conducted disaster relief for more than twenty-five years on five continents, like scores of other secular relief groups currently helping victims of Hurricane Katrina, it was omitted from FEMA's list. In fact, only two non-"faith-based" organizations were included. (One of them, the American Red Cross, is being blocked from entering New Orleans by FEMA's parent agency, the Department of Homeland Security.) FEMA, meanwhile, has reportedly turned away Wal-Mart trucks carrying food and water to the stricken city, teams of firemen from Maryland and Texas, volunteer morticians and a convoy of 1,000 boat owners offering to help rescue stranded flood victims. While relief efforts falter in the face of colossal bureaucratic incompetence, the Bush Administration's promotion of Operation Blessing has ensured that the floodwaters swallowing New Orleans will be a rising tide lifting Robertson's boat.



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(Edited by PokeyDot at 10:04 pm on Sep. 20, 2005)
Posted  Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 2:36 AM
Post 56 of 89
Pokey, you do know that's a joke article, right?
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Posted  Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 3:28 AM
Post 57 of 89
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(Edited by PokeyDot at 2:34 am on Sep. 21, 2005)
Posted  Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 7:19 AM
Post 58 of 89
"Quote from FeaturesTroll on Sep. 21, 2005 at 2:36 AM"
Pokey, you do know that's a joke article, right?
Is the Farrakhan story a joke too?
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Posted  Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 8:12 AM
Post 59 of 89
"Quote from jamiecarroll on Sep. 21, 2005 at 7:19 AM"
"Quote from FeaturesTroll on Sep. 21, 2005 at 2:36 AM"
Pokey, you do know that's a joke article, right?
Is the Farrakhan story a joke too?
Not sure which article you have in mind, JC, but considering that Louie has been running the mouth quite a bit, I'd assume it's true. If you're referring to his claim that Allah caused the hurricane because America attacked an Islamic nation, that one's actually on his site.
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Posted  Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 8:57 AM
Post 60 of 89
"Quote from FeaturesTroll on Sep. 21, 2005 at 2:36 AM"
Pokey, you do know that's a joke article, right?
I did however see a quote from him on the Daily Show that basically said

"Quote"
After Katrina, all eyes are on New Orleans.  At least judge Roberts can be happy that some good has come from this.

What a piece of shit.
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Posted  Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 10:42 PM
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"Quote from FeaturesTroll on Sep. 21, 2005 at 8:12 AM"
"Quote from jamiecarroll on Sep. 21, 2005 at 7:19 AM"
"Quote from FeaturesTroll on Sep. 21, 2005 at 2:36 AM"
Pokey, you do know that's a joke article, right?
Is the Farrakhan story a joke too?
Not sure which article you have in mind, JC, but considering that Louie has been running the mouth quite a bit, I'd assume it's true. If you're referring to his claim that Allah caused the hurricane because America attacked an Islamic nation, that one's actually on his site.
He said that the government blew a hole in the levee to wipe out the black population in New Orleans.
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Posted  Thursday, September 22, 2005 at 4:11 AM
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"Quote from jamiecarroll on Sep. 21, 2005 at 10:42 PM"
"Quote from FeaturesTroll on Sep. 21, 2005 at 8:12 AM"
"Quote from jamiecarroll on Sep. 21, 2005 at 7:19 AM"
"Quote from FeaturesTroll on Sep. 21, 2005 at 2:36 AM"
Pokey, you do know that's a joke article, right?
Is the Farrakhan story a joke too?
Not sure which article you have in mind, JC, but considering that Louie has been running the mouth quite a bit, I'd assume it's true. If you're referring to his claim that Allah caused the hurricane because America attacked an Islamic nation, that one's actually on his site.
He said that the government blew a hole in the levee to wipe out the black population in New Orleans.

from www.finalcall.com.
"Quote"
He also revealed to the press a report that he received, from a “very reliable source” he said, that there was a 25-foot hole under one of the levees that broke, which suggested it may have been busted on purpose to destroy the part of the city where Black people lived.

“This is a horrible thing to think that somebody would do,” he observed, “but all one needs to understand is our history, and Black-White relations in this country, and what some are capable of doing out of envy and desire for political and economic advancement.”

Yeah, he said it.

(Edited by FeaturesTroll at 4:15 am on Sep. 22, 2005)
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Posted  Friday, September 23, 2005 at 4:48 AM
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Unbelievable.
Posted  Friday, September 23, 2005 at 5:15 AM
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i hate you, chargers.
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Posted  Friday, September 23, 2005 at 6:45 AM
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i don't really hate you, chargers.
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Posted  Friday, September 23, 2005 at 6:51 AM
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i got to thinking about it and, yeah, yeah i do
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Posted  Friday, September 23, 2005 at 11:35 AM
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I like Ladainian Tomlinson, but I'm not a big fan of the Chargers, and I think Mary Schottenheimer is a mediocre coach these days. Though I must say that San Diego is a fine city, and I hope it doesn't get destroyed by a hurricane.
Posted  Sunday, September 25, 2005 at 11:02 PM
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"Quote from Brian on Sep. 19, 2005 at 12:47 AM"
I don't understand all of the anger myself. It's not like someone planned the hurricane. I'm sure everyone's doing their best to help all those folks out.
According to CNN they are working mostly on getting the pets that were left behind. So it looks to me that everything was taken care of pretty well. I mean a hurricane hits a major US city with only around 550 deaths. It could have been a lot worse.
did this asshole really come up in here talking this shit?

and while we're at it, a couple of days before this post the body count in louisiana was right at 700. and this may be brand new information for you brian since your facts are all shady and shit, but mississippi got hit, too and people died there, too and that put the totals at 1,000, brah.

someone punch this guy in the face for me.


(i can't believe i had to edit this post for grammar errors.)

(Edited by sinasugarsick at 8:26 pm on Sep. 26, 2005)
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Posted  Monday, September 26, 2005 at 9:24 AM
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"Quote from jamiecarroll on Sep. 21, 2005 at 10:42 PM"
He said that the government blew a hole in the levee to wipe out the black population in New Orleans.
A professor I work with from southern Alabama said there was a great flood several decades ago in New Orleans that caused a great migration northwards into Mississippi and other southern states. He said that is was common knowledge that the rich (who all happened to be white) destroyed the levees so that the neighborhoods of the poor (who were primarily black) would flood. That way, the flood waters would disperse before hitting their mansions and plantations that were "upstream". Pretty sickening.

It would be even more sickening to think that this kind of stuff continues to happen and that the government it behind it this time around. For that kind of stuff to happen without our knowledge in the age of information is pretty hard to swallow, though.
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Posted  Monday, September 26, 2005 at 7:26 PM
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"Quote from sinasugarsick on Sep. 25, 2005 at 10:02 PM"
"Quote from Brian on Sep. 19, 2005 at 12:47 AM"
I don't understand all of the anger myself. It's not like someone planned the hurricane. I'm sure everyone's doing their best to help all those folks out.
According to CNN they are working mostly on getting the pets that were left behind. So it looks to me that everything was taken care of pretty well. I mean a hurricane hits a major US city with only around 550 deaths. It could have been a lot worse.
did this asshole really come up in here talking this shit?

and while we're at it, a couple of days before this post they body count in louisana was right at 700. and this may be brand new information for you brian since you're facts are all shady and shit, but mississippi got hit, too and people died there, too and that put the totals at 1,000, brah.

someone punch this guy in the face for me.
(i'll piggyback on this post)

...seriously...

would matter if it was 50? i can see how that's pretty easy to say when the only real impact the hurricane has had on us is relatively minor. but those 'around 550 deaths' were people mothers, fathers, children, friends, etc. those lucky enough to have survived lost more than earthly possessions, they lost other intangible things as well--like a community. just imagine if everything you knew, everything that was familiar to you--your grocery store, your corner market, your job, your school, your neighbors, your doctor, and so on--was just gone.

as for shooting at the helicopters, which was mentioned earlier in this thread...yeah, most rational people wouldn't shoot at rescue helicopters. but tell me, what's rational about being stranded on your roof for days with limited (if any) food and water supplies, surrounded by sewage filled water with dead bodies floating by, and you've watched helicopter after helicopter fly by without stopping? desperate times...

i've been truly shocked by a lot of people's reactions to this whole thing. the dumbfucks i work with are more concerned about the saints' season and where they're going to play. and my heart sank when another coworker said we shouldn't be giving 'those people' $2000 debit cards because they'll just spend it on beer and crack. yep, that's 'compassionate conservatism' for you.
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Posted  Monday, September 26, 2005 at 8:33 PM
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"Quote from warholkat on Sep. 26, 2005 at 7:26 PM"
...and my heart sank when another coworker said we shouldn't be giving 'those people' $2000 debit cards because they'll just spend it on beer and crack. yep, that's 'compassionate conservatism' for you.
Did you just stereotype all conservatives? Are you any better than your co-workers?
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Posted  Monday, September 26, 2005 at 8:51 PM
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"Quote from jamiecarroll on Sep. 26, 2005 at 7:33 PM"
Did you just stereotype all conservatives?  Are you any better than your co-workers?
not stereotyping, that particular 'compassionate conservative' comment had to do with the individual responsible for saying that...sorry, i can't expect you to know the person...should have clarified. i was just crestfallen by the comment when it was made. didn't intend for it to be 'conservatives are bad and don't care about the victims' comment. just a specific case in point.

any better than my coworkers? dammit...foiled again!!!
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Posted  Monday, September 26, 2005 at 9:06 PM
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"Quote from jamiecarroll on Sep. 26, 2005 at 8:33 PM"
"Quote from warholkat on Sep. 26, 2005 at 7:26 PM"
...and my heart sank when another coworker said we shouldn't be giving 'those people' $2000 debit cards because they'll just spend it on beer and crack. yep, that's 'compassionate conservatism' for you.
Did you just stereotype all conservatives? Are you any better than your co-workers?
i don't know this person, but i'd say warholkat is indeed better. i'd rather hear someone stereotype conservatives as being insensitive than hearing some insensitive conservative talking some insensitive shit.

i mean really, i'm really not getting where you're coming from. first it was the obviously upsetting post accusing us of verbally raping someone who was basically saying that the people who were getting raped in new orleans deserved it because they didn't leave. if that shit is no biggie, then getting bitched out for saying it should be water off a ducks back.

the same goes for this situation, if you can dish all the bullfuckingshit, then you oughta be able to handle being called an insensitive conservatism.
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Posted  Monday, September 26, 2005 at 10:55 PM
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"Quote from sinasugarsick on Sep. 26, 2005 at 9:06 PM"
"Quote from jamiecarroll on Sep. 26, 2005 at 8:33 PM"
"Quote from warholkat on Sep. 26, 2005 at 7:26 PM"
...and my heart sank when another coworker said we shouldn't be giving 'those people' $2000 debit cards because they'll just spend it on beer and crack. yep, that's 'compassionate conservatism' for you.
Did you just stereotype all conservatives? Are you any better than your co-workers?
i don't know this person, but i'd say warholkat is indeed better. i'd rather hear someone stereotype conservatives as being insensitive than hearing some insensitive conservative talking some insensitive shit.

i mean really, i'm really not getting where you're coming from. first it was the obviously upsetting post accusing us of verbally raping someone who was basically saying that the people who were getting raped in new orleans deserved it because they didn't leave. if that shit is no biggie, then getting bitched out for saying it should be water off a ducks back.

the same goes for this situation, if you can dish all the bullfuckingshit, then you oughta be able to handle being called an insensitive conservatism.
Now I'm an "insensitive conservatism"? Just because, for discussion's sake, I questioned someone's statement? That's "bullfuckingshit"? Dude, you are waaaaaay to sensitive. Warholkat responded logically, and clarified his or her statement, and kept his or her cool. You, on the other hand, need to put down The Nation for a few minutes and take a couple of deep breaths.
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Posted  Monday, September 26, 2005 at 11:09 PM
Post 75 of 89
"Quote from warholkat on Sep. 26, 2005 at 6:26 PM"
"Quote from sinasugarsick on Sep. 25, 2005 at 10:02 PM"
"Quote from Brian on Sep. 19, 2005 at 12:47 AM"
I don't understand all of the anger myself. It's not like someone planned the hurricane. I'm sure everyone's doing their best to help all those folks out.
According to CNN they are working mostly on getting the pets that were left behind. So it looks to me that everything was taken care of pretty well. I mean a hurricane hits a major US city with only around 550 deaths. It could have been a lot worse.
did this asshole really come up in here talking this shit?

and while we're at it, a couple of days before this post they body count in louisana was right at 700. and this may be brand new information for you brian since you're facts are all shady and shit, but mississippi got hit, too and people died there, too and that put the totals at 1,000, brah.

someone punch this guy in the face for me.
(i'll piggyback on this post)

...seriously...

would matter if it was 50? i can see how that's pretty easy to say when the only real impact the hurricane has had on us is relatively minor. but those 'around 550 deaths' were people mothers, fathers, children, friends, etc. those lucky enough to have survived lost more than earthly possessions, they lost other intangible things as well--like a community. just imagine if everything you knew, everything that was familiar to you--your grocery store, your corner market, your job, your school, your neighbors, your doctor, and so on--was just gone.

as for shooting at the helicopters, which was mentioned earlier in this thread...yeah, most rational people wouldn't shoot at rescue helicopters. but tell me, what's rational about being stranded on your roof for days with limited (if any) food and water supplies, surrounded by sewage filled water with dead bodies floating by, and you've watched helicopter after helicopter fly by without stopping? desperate times...

i've been truly shocked by a lot of people's reactions to this whole thing. the dumbfucks i work with are more concerned about the saints' season and where they're going to play. and my heart sank when another coworker said we shouldn't be giving 'those people' $2000 debit cards because they'll just spend it on beer and crack. yep, that's 'compassionate conservatism' for you.
preach on.
oh the drudgery of being wet
Posted  Monday, September 26, 2005 at 11:13 PM
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And Sina, I have taken the liberty of responding for you, because I'm tired and I'm going to bed:

i'm insensitive? what a fucking joke. i'm not the one who fucking freaked out the first time someone said something mean about a republican. it sounds like you're the one who needs to lighten up there, buddy. move out of your mom's house and get laid.

GOOD NIGHT NOW.
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Posted  Monday, September 26, 2005 at 11:28 PM
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i don't know where you could've gotten that i've call you an insensitive conservative when it's completely obvious that your recent statement and my recent statements come directly from warholkat's statement where she sarcastically used the term 'sensitive conservatism' while discussing things her coworkers have said. i'm not sure where you could've gotten that "this situation" could've meant anything other than the going ons between warholkat and her coworkers.

the only part of this that was towards you was my lack of understanding in why you seem totally offended when people - with little to no regards for other human life that has suffered because of this tragedy - are in the slightest bit insulted.

(Edited by sinasugarsick at 6:54 am on Sep. 27, 2005)
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Posted  Monday, September 26, 2005 at 11:30 PM
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wait, you live with your mom?
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Posted  Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 1:30 AM
Post 79 of 89
"Quote from jamiecarroll on Sep. 27, 2005 at 1:33 AM"
"Quote from warholkat on Sep. 26, 2005 at 7:26 PM"
...and my heart sank when another coworker said we shouldn't be giving 'those people' $2000 debit cards because they'll just spend it on beer and crack. yep, that's 'compassionate conservatism' for you.
Did you just stereotype all conservatives? Are you any better than your co-workers?
First of all, I am heart broken that someone would say that.

second of all,when it comes to sterotyping, there are differences.

if we play the PC game, we'll walk around in cirlces all night long.

and by the way, i like the nation.
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Posted  Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 9:23 PM
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More news that you can read on MY post, rather than an accredited news source. This one is fo' real.





Brown Shifts Blame for Katrina Response By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer




WASHINGTON - A combative Michael Brown blamed the Louisiana governor, the New Orleans mayor and even the Bush White House that appointed him for the dismal response to Hurricane Katrina in a fiery appearance Tuesday before Congress. In response, lawmakers alternately lambasted and mocked the former FEMA director.

House members' scorching treatment of Brown, in a hearing stretching nearly 6 1/2 hours, underscored how he has become an emblem of the deaths, lingering floods and stranded survivors after the Aug. 29 storm. Brown resigned Sept. 12 after being relieved of his onsite command of the Federal Emergency Management Agency's response effort three days earlier.

"I'm happy you left," said Rep. Christopher Shays (news, bio, voting record), R-Conn. "Because that kind of, you know, look in the lights like a deer tells me that you weren't capable to do the job."

"You get an F-minus in my book," said Rep. Gene Taylor (news, bio, voting record), D-Miss.

At several points, Brown turned red in the face and slapped the table in front of him.

"So I guess you want me to be the superhero, to step in there and take everyone out of New Orleans," Brown said.

"What I wanted you to do is do your job and coordinate," Shays retorted.

Well aware of President Bush's sunken poll ratings, legislators of both parties tried to distance themselves from the federal preparations for Katrina and the storm's aftermath that together claimed the lives of more than 1,000 people in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.

Brown acknowledged making mistakes during the storm and subsequent flooding that devastated the Gulf Coast. But he accused New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco, both Democrats, of fostering chaos and failing to order a mandatory evacuation more than a day before Katrina hit.

"My biggest mistake was not recognizing by Saturday that Louisiana was dysfunctional," Brown told a special panel set up by House Republican leaders to investigate the catastrophe. Most Democrats, seeking an independent investigation, stayed away to protest what they called an unfair probe of the Republican administration by GOP lawmakers.

"I very strongly personally regret that I was unable to persuade Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin to sit down, get over their differences and work together," Brown said. "I just couldn't pull that off."

Brown also said he warned Bush, White House chief of staff Andrew Card and deputy chief of staff Joe Hagin that "this is going to be a bad one" in e-mails and phone conversations leading up to the storm. Under pointed questioning, he said some needs outlined to the White House, Pentagon and Homeland Security Department were not answered in "the timeline that we requested."

Blanco vehemently denied that she waited until the eve of the storm to order an evacuation of New Orleans. She said her order came on the morning of Aug. 27 — two days before the storm — resulting in 1.3 million people evacuating the city.

"Such falsehoods and misleading statements, made under oath before Congress, are shocking," Blanco said in a statement.

In New Orleans, Nagin said that "it's too early to get into name-blame and all that stuff" but that "a FEMA director in Washington trying to deflect attention is unbelievable to me."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan urged Congress to undertake "a thorough investigation of what went wrong and what went right and look at lessons learned."

Brown, who remains on FEMA's payroll for two more weeks before he leaves his annual $148,000 post, rejected accusations that he was inexperienced for the job he held for more than two years during which he oversaw 150 presidentially declared disasters. Before joining FEMA in 2001, he was an attorney, held local government posts and headed the International Arabian Horse Association.

"I know what I'm doing, and I think I do a pretty darn good job of it," he said.

He said FEMA coordinates and manages disaster relief, but the emergency first response is the job of state and local authorities. Brown also said the agency was stretched too thin to respond to a catastrophe of Katrina's size. "We were prepared but overwhelmed is the best way I can put it," he said.

Brown described FEMA as a politically powerless arm of Homeland Security, which he said had siphoned more than $77 million from his agency over the past three years. Additionally, he said Homeland Security cut FEMA budget requests — including one for hurricane preparedness — before they were ever presented to Congress.

Rep. Harold Rogers (news, bio, voting record), R-Ky., who oversees House spending on homeland security operations, said Congress has approved spending levels for FEMA and other preparedness programs far above requests.

In Miami, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told reporters that Brown "speaks for himself and he's entitled to his point of view, and I don't have anything to add."

Brown's defiant demeanor Tuesday mirrored his comments after being dismissed from overseeing the Katrina response, when he accused the news media of making him a scapegoat and blamed local officials for the uncoordinated response.

He had been "just tired and misspoke" when a television interviewer appeared to be the first to tell him that there were desperate residents at the New Orleans Convention Center, and testified he had already learned the day before that people were flocking there.

No longer needing to maintain a cordial relationship with Congress, Brown didn't hesitate to punch back at lawmakers who questioned whether the government would learn from mistakes before the next disaster strikes.

"I know what death and destruction is and I know how much people suffer," Brown told Taylor. "And it breaks my heart. I pray for these people every night. So don't lecture me about knowing what disaster is like."

Yet Brown struck a conciliatory tone with Rep. Kay Granger (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas, who chastised him for not seeking fiscal or oversight help from Congress before the storm.

"I don't know how you can sleep at night," Granger said. "You lost the battle."

Brown, his voice dropping slightly, responded: "I probably should have just resigned my post earlier and gone public with some of these things because I have a great admiration for the men and women of FEMA and what they do, and they don't deserve what they've been getting."
Posted  Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 8:25 PM
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"Quote from PokeyDot on Sep. 27, 2005 at 9:23 PM"
"I'm happy you left," said Rep. Christopher Shays (news, bio, voting record), R-Conn. "Because that kind of, you know, look in the lights like a deer tells me that you weren't capable to do the job."

"So I guess you want me to be the superhero, to step in there and take everyone out of New Orleans," Brown said.

"What I wanted you to do is do your job and coordinate," Shays retorted.

"Quote"
Yet Brown struck a conciliatory tone with Rep. Kay Granger (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas, who chastised him for not seeking fiscal or oversight help from Congress before the storm.

"I don't know how you can sleep at night," Granger said. "You lost the battle."
these statements are false. republicans don't speak against a government worker appointed by a republican. how dare them. if this is true then maybe they were "just tired and misspoke." or maybe they are fake republicans. will the "real" republicans put a hit on on them? maybe then they'll learn that there are no human beings with independent thoughts and feelings, only political parties that have to stick together..... or else.
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Posted  Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 8:36 PM
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"Quote from sinasugarsick on Sep. 28, 2005 at 7:25 PM"
there are no human beings with independent thoughts and feelings, only political parties that have to stick together..... or else.
I've had this strange feeling since 9/11. I've felt that if you don't publically support our troops with a sticker, or you didn't vote for bush, then it means you hate Jesus. I'm not sure why I feel like that, I guess the strong ties with faith that Bush has boasted about. Just one of the many ways our government majority, which happens to be republican, has polarized the US rather than bringing us all together.


But back to the subject at hand. I hate to bring up conspiracy theories, but by Republicans simply chastising Michael Brown, it takes alot of focus off of the big guy in charge.....ummmm BUSH. I know, I know, it wasn't his job to organize FEMA, but he did appoint those in charge, and he did have the power to fund FEMA properly.... There is a HUGE push for an independent investigation into Katrina, kind of like with 9/11.... republicans are of course, resisting that effort.

(Edited by PokeyDot at 7:40 pm on Sep. 28, 2005)
Posted  Thursday, September 29, 2005 at 9:03 PM
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"Quote from PokeyDot on Sep. 29, 2005 at 1:36 AM"
"Quote from sinasugarsick on Sep. 28, 2005 at 7:25 PM"
there are no human beings with independent thoughts and feelings, only political parties that have to stick together..... or else.
I've had this strange feeling since 9/11. I've felt that if you don't publically support our troops with a sticker, or you didn't vote for bush, then it means you hate Jesus. I'm not sure why I feel like that, I guess the strong ties with faith that Bush has boasted about. Just one of the many ways our government majority, which happens to be republican, has polarized the US rather than bringing us all together.


But back to the subject at hand. I hate to bring up conspiracy theories, but by Republicans simply chastising Michael Brown, it takes alot of focus off of the big guy in charge.....ummmm BUSH. I know, I know, it wasn't his job to organize FEMA, but he did appoint those in charge, and he did have the power to fund FEMA properly.... There is a HUGE push for an independent investigation into Katrina, kind of like with 9/11.... republicans are of course, resisting that effort.
whatever happened to seperation of church and state?
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Posted  Thursday, September 29, 2005 at 10:06 PM
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I think that individual churches (not their members) that actively organise to have laws changed based on Biblical moral values should be taxed.

My opinion on this has nothing to do with hurricanes, which suck.

(Edited by MissSeptember at 10:07 pm on Sep. 29, 2005)
That's so NA.
Posted  Thursday, September 29, 2005 at 11:58 PM
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"Quote from stalker on skates on Sep. 29, 2005 at 9:03 PM"
whatever happened to seperation of church and state?
i'll look for the quote where bush said that he knew God appointed him to do his work on earth and lead our country (straight into a war?)

that's when i knew that this guy was messed up for real.

(Edited by sinasugarsick at 12:05 am on Sep. 30, 2005)
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Posted  Friday, September 30, 2005 at 1:23 AM
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"Quote from sinasugarsick on Sep. 29, 2005 at 11:58 PM"
"Quote from stalker on skates on Sep. 29, 2005 at 9:03 PM"
whatever happened to seperation of church and state?
...he knew God appointed him to do his work on earth and lead our country (straight into a war?)
Umm...that'd be a crusade. So Bush is a pope? Let's see...

Unilateral attack on Muslim territory. Check.

Sending the young into Muslim territory, while safe, far, far away from any danger himself. Check.

Claiming "it's not my fault I'm just doing what 'god' wants." Check.

If we aren't a theocracy how come we're fighting holy wars?
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Posted  Friday, September 30, 2005 at 3:24 PM
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"Quote from PokeyDot on Sep. 27, 2005 at 9:23 PM"
In New Orleans, Nagin said that "it's too early to get into name-blame and all that stuff" but that "a FEMA director in Washington trying to deflect attention is unbelievable to me."
Isn't that the same guy who, when asked what he did wrong, said, "I didn't scream loud enough for help from the feds"? Isn't this the democratic team captain for the Blame Game ©?

(Edited by carligula at 3:25 pm on Sep. 30, 2005)
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Posted  Friday, September 30, 2005 at 6:52 PM
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"Quote from carligula on Sep. 30, 2005 at 2:24 PM"
"Quote from PokeyDot on Sep. 27, 2005 at 9:23 PM"
In New Orleans, Nagin said that "it's too early to get into name-blame and all that stuff" but that "a FEMA director in Washington trying to deflect attention is unbelievable to me."
Isn't that the same guy who, when asked what he did wrong, said, "I didn't scream loud enough for help from the feds"? Isn't this the democratic team captain for the Blame Game ©?
Democrats ----- Republicans..... Who's right, who's wrong???? ......not only this message board, but the US is polarized. AND im blaming Bush for the polarization. That's my point. It shouldn't be that way in the US. And I can't remember a time before 2000 that it has been this extreme. Maybe I'm just too young wink.gif

(Edited by PokeyDot at 5:52 pm on Sep. 30, 2005)
Posted  Friday, September 30, 2005 at 7:04 PM
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It's going to get worse before it gets worse again. You're right, the country is split right down the middle with both sides getting even more pissed as more time goes by. Every single person in either the right-wing or the left-wing camp thinks the other side is full of complete idiots.

How will it turn out? In five years will everyone just be buddies all of a sudden? How about in ten? I really want to know what everyone sees coming out of this political mire this country is in.

And, yes Pokey, there was a time in the past when the country was this polarized....1861.
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