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TOPIC: Railway Bombings in Spain
Posted  Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 11:18 AM
Post 1 of 14
I've copied and pasted an article from Reuters UK below....


"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. intelligence agencies believe it is too early to conclude who was behind rush-hour explosions in Madrid that killed at least 180 people, but see the attack as bearing hallmarks of both the Basque separatist group ETA and al Qaeda, a U.S. official says.

"It's going to be muddy for a while until the Spanish authorities get in there and start doing some forensics," the U.S. official said on Thursday.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the 10 simultaneous rush-hour blasts at three railway stations that also injured around 900 people. But Spain blamed ETA.

"There are characteristics of each," the official said, referring to ETA and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network.

"You have multiple attacks, multiple explosions in different locations in a short period of time which is very al Qaeda-ish," the official told Reuters. Al Qaeda has been blamed for bombing attacks on Western interests, including the September 11, 2001, hijacked plane attacks on America.

"But ETA has long threatened tourists and commuters and they have attacked trains in the past, they have attacked rail stations in the past. They usually warn people in advance and that may not be the case here," the U.S. official said.

ETA usually targets Spanish government officials in its quest for a separate homeland, but also has warned that it would attack tourist sites in Spain, the official said.

Some of the still unanswered questions that could help determine who was responsible included whether suicide bombers were involved -- they are used by al Qaeda but not ETA. Or whether the bombs were placed on the trains."



OK, now I heard about this event this morning, and have since done a little research. Apparantly this is the worst terrorist activity in Western Europe in recent memory (I guess "worst" means highest body count). I didn't realise how little I know about the issues of the rest of the world. Spain is having an election in three days, you see...oh, and apparantly it's only been a democracy since 1976. I just think it's important people know about this, since it's just commuters on a train going to work or school that were blown up. I think it's terrible. I'm probably going to be studying more about Spain in the next few days. Sorry for the rambling. Carry on.
That's so NA.
Posted  Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 11:55 AM
Post 2 of 14
Well, if only El Cid were around...
you're everybody's second home
always trying to get me alone
an easy way to lose it all
always there when all else fails
over by the west side rails
Posted  Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 1:41 PM
Post 3 of 14
I heard about this this morning as well, its crazy and sad... I mean last I heard it was of 200 bodies found dead. Pretty frightening stuff damn terrorists.
Posted  Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 1:43 PM
Post 4 of 14
The death toll has reached 190. This is really scary. A good friend of mine has a friend who lives 5 blocks from one of the sites of attack. She would have been there if her class hadn't been cancelled last week.
Daigle is all we need to make the night complete
Posted  Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 2:43 PM
Post 5 of 14
"Quote from carligula on Mar. 11, 2004 at 1:43 PM"
A good friend of mine has a friend who lives 5 blocks from one of the sites of attack. She would have been there if her class hadn't been cancelled last week.
I have a friend who was travelling to Albacete from Madrid right before this happened. I'm glad he didn't wait.
It's amazing to me how cruel humans can be to each other.
eat it.
Posted  Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 3:53 PM
Post 6 of 14
Apparently, al Qaeda is attempting to claim responsibility. Details here. Intolerance. Disgusting.

If you have two religions in your land, the two will cut each other's throats; but if you have thirty religions, they will dwell in peace.
- Voltaire


(Edited by herman at 3:56 pm on Mar. 11, 2004)
Bill, it was a different time. It was back when we didn't know the Russians were incompetent.
Posted  Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 6:03 PM
Post 7 of 14
I saw the news like and hour ago and they said something about a group called the 'ETP' or something like that may be linked to the bombings. Apparently the group doesn't want to be associated or controlled with/by the Government. It was a really quick spot on this story and I was in the kitchen so I might have missed some of it...
Posted  Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 6:49 PM
Post 8 of 14
"Quote from Genius Girl on Mar. 11, 2004 at 6:03 PM"
I saw the news like and hour ago and they said something about a group called the 'ETP' or something like that may be linked to the bombings. Apparently the group doesn't want to be associated or controlled with/by the Government. It was a really quick spot on this story and I was in the kitchen so I might have missed some of it...
It's a Basque separatist group, but I don't think the actual Basque liberation orginization or whatever it's called associates with them, or will admit to it anyways.
That's so NA.
Posted  Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 7:13 PM
Post 9 of 14
We need peace.

Let peace reign

(Edited by HereIamagain1 at 7:14 pm on Mar. 11, 2004)
Shut up n' play yer guitar.
Frank Zappa
Posted  Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 7:26 PM
Post 10 of 14
"Quote from MissSeptember on Mar. 11, 2004 at 6:49 PM"
"Quote from Genius Girl on Mar. 11, 2004 at 6:03 PM"
I saw the news like and hour ago and they said something about a group called the 'ETP' or something like that may be linked to the bombings.  Apparently the group doesn't want to be associated or controlled  with/by the Government.  It was a really quick spot on this story and I was in the kitchen so I might have missed some of it...
It's a Basque separatist group, but I don't think the actual Basque liberation orginization or whatever it's called associates with them, or will admit to it anyways.
Hm. This is weird, because I heard that they may be connecting the bombings with a van located nearby with Islamic scripture and detonators found in it.
Posted  Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 7:42 PM
Post 11 of 14
"Quote from foldsfan on Mar. 11, 2004 at 7:26 PM"
"Quote from MissSeptember on Mar. 11, 2004 at 6:49 PM"
"Quote from Genius Girl on Mar. 11, 2004 at 6:03 PM"
I saw the news like and hour ago and they said something about a group called the 'ETP' or something like that may be linked to the bombings.  Apparently the group doesn't want to be associated or controlled  with/by the Government.  It was a really quick spot on this story and I was in the kitchen so I might have missed some of it...
It's a Basque separatist group, but I don't think the actual Basque liberation orginization or whatever it's called associates with them, or will admit to it anyways.
Hm. This is weird, because I heard that they may be connecting the bombings with a van located nearby with Islamic scripture and detonators found in it.
It's basically one or the other. The ETA usually claims their strikes, and they're fully denying this, and have never attacted on such a scale. I'm not choosing sides, but I'm betting it's Al Qadea. Even if they're not behind it, that's a really good red herring.
That's so NA.
Posted  Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 9:16 PM
Post 12 of 14
"Quote from MissSeptember on Mar. 11, 2004 at 6:49 PM"
It's a Basque separatist group, but I don't think the actual Basque liberation orginization or whatever it's called associates with them, or will admit to it anyways.
Reg: Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People's Front.
P.F.J.: Yeah...
Judith: Splitters.
P.F.J.: Splitters...
Francis: And the Judean Popular People's Front.
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Loretta: And the People's Front of Judea.
P.F.J.: Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
Reg: What?
Loretta: The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.
Reg: We're the People's Front of Judea!
Loretta: Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
Reg: People's Front! C-huh.
Francis: Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
Reg: He's over there.
P.F.J.: Splitter!
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Posted  Friday, March 12, 2004 at 11:13 AM
Post 13 of 14
"Quote from MissSeptember on Mar. 11, 2004 at 7:42 PM"
It's basically one or the other. The ETA usually claims their strikes, and they're fully denying this, and have never attacted on such a scale.
ETA usually targets politcal and military figures, as well as police and those sorts. I think it would be unusual for them to launch an attack of this magnitude against everyday people, but maybe they're that desperate.
We'll miss you Mr. Hooper.
Posted  Friday, March 12, 2004 at 11:44 AM
Post 14 of 14
"Quote from Ceeze on Mar. 11, 2004 at 9:16 PM"
Reg: Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People's Front.
P.F.J.: Yeah...
Judith: Splitters.
P.F.J.: Splitters...
Francis: And the Judean Popular People's Front.
P.F.J.: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
Loretta: And the People's Front of Judea.
P.F.J.: Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
Reg: What?
Loretta: The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.
Reg: We're the People's Front of Judea!
Loretta: Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
Reg: People's Front! C-huh.
Francis: Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
Reg: He's over there.
P.F.J.: Splitter!
Nice reference. This one is a hell of a lot better than The Passion.
Daigle is all we need to make the night complete