I'll care for and love you always, I miss you alot

That's cute. But an even cuter thing would have been a PM window popping up when she got on saying the exact same thing.

I take it you two broke up. I'm sorry to hear that.

i was wondering about your signature for a while now... at least that's what i'm assuming it's from...

I've found that whiskey and Leonard Cohen works wonders.

You'll have to buy it for him.

what, the leonard cohen?

I just assumed that he had to pay a shit-load of taxes...

So, if she posts again, I assume she'll be getting a new member name? Wasn't there a thread about this a few months back?

Okay, I found it. And she did change her MB name-- to Duckie.

(Edited by carligula at 4:23 pm on May. 1, 2003)

No, the whiskey.


Now I feel like a bitch.. sorry, man.

Well, if you check this board, FlyingFeaturesFansGF, then just think about changing your name back to Juan HorsetownsGF. I miss you so much after all this time, and I really want you back also.

i tried that one time, and found myself cradled in the arms of ray davies come sunrise...

Oh no. Please tell me that you're joking...

(Edited by jamiecarroll at 7:19 am on May. 2, 2003)

well, of course. that's how it works!

This whole tread is weird and makes me uncomfortable

Did she cheat on you with another message board member? That's the worst... but it is a good cure for message board addiction.

I think that would turn someone into a definite lurker.

I'm kind of offended by this, but no she didn't cheat on me, she just wanted to take a break, and that's all

uh, stop wasting everyone's time.

ahem! anyone remember overemo?

you know I could care less what you have to say, you dont have to read this topic and if everyone wants to post on this topic, that's their choice not yours so shut your face or typing fingers up.

Hey now, be nice you two

(Edited by iwantelvis at 2:56 pm on May. 2, 2003)

in a purposely direct change of subject....digsy and i often have this conversation: i say that the term "i could care less" in incorrect and irrelevant. it's not making any point. if you could care less, then you could also care more. you're not expressing how much you care, so what's the point? it's a waste of words. i say the correct and relevant term is "i couldn't care less." now that makes the correct statement. i'm sure digsy will counterpoint.

what do you guys think?

wow...this is the second time in two days that i have played party to this discussion. HSS is right. "could care less" implies that there is roon for less caring...

I have always thought that too! Why wouldn't it be "I couldn't care less"?

Yes "I could care less" is a waste of words, but so is the term "I'm indifferent." The two mean the same thing. If you say "I could care less" you are saying that you in the middle ground, you don't care enough about the subject to begin with so you could, theoretically, care less. It makes sense. Now, if you have no more care left in your heart, you are not indifferent to the subject and "could not care less." I believe that both are viable phrases.

Point and counterpoint.

Most of the time it isn't used as a middle ground though. It's usually said in defense or something implying that they don't care at all what the person does/says/thinks etc. So wouldn't that type of situation make it correct to say "I couldn't care less"?

Hmm...I still think if you "could care less," then care less.

Blossom and Six had this exact same argument...

The correct phrase is "I couldn't care less", because it's basically saying that you don't care whatsoever. People who say the other just aren't thinking about what they're saying. It's like those complete dipshits who use the word "literally" when speaking figuratively. For instance, if you found that something was so funny that you "literally died laughing", you wouldn't be here to report it, dumbass.

Back to the Topic at Hand

Hooba is right-- FFF, there's really no point in posting something like this when (as Rachel pointed out) you could just PM her. Unless you're just blatantly begging for attention, which I think is fine if you're willing to admit it. By the way, sorry about the break-up. That sucks.

FFF is right-- Hooba, stop reading threads that will obviously annoy you and try not to post so hatefully. Feel free to keep posting links to Radiohead demos, though.

You're right. "I couldn't care less" = "I don't give a shit." I suppose you could say "I could care less," if you wanted to communicate that you were indifferent. But isn't that kind of a vague way of saying it? "I could care less" is irrelevant.

(Edited by jamiecarroll at 4:23 pm on May. 2, 2003)

"i could care less" and "i'm indifferent" are not socially understood to be the same thing at all.

if a blind man was walking down the road with his seeing-eye dog and stopped and said to you "hey, i'm blind. i love my seeing-eye dog, but i've never seen what it looks like. i know that there are cute dogs and ugly dogs. what do you think about he appearance of my dog?" now, you don't really like dogs. in fact, you hate them because one bit your left index finger off as a kid. but this man's seeing-eye dog seems to be an attractive physical specimen. however, you can't really make a proper judgement because the nub where your index finger should be constantly reminds you of the grudge you have against the canine species. how do you answer the man's question? you explain your predicament to him, ending your statement with "...so, you see, i'm indifferent."

if you ended the conversation with "...so, you see, i could care less." the blind man would likely not understand your indifference to the attractiveness of the dog. he might even take offense.

so maybe it's not so much that the term is incorrect (because i can see your argument there), but more that it has no real conversational value (because few would understand its implication).

as for any further discrepencies that may be had with my argument...i couldn't care less.

(Edited by HaveSomeSoma at 3:31 pm on May. 2, 2003)

FFF, I'm sorry to hear about your breakup. breaking up is really hard. PM me if you want some advice or just want to talk about it; i'm really good at that kind of stuff.

and myabe FFF decided to type his message to her open to the public in an attempt to prove his love. you know, like "I love you so much i want everyone to know about it" kinda thing.

Now we should ask the other question that deals with special children. That might be a little offensive though.

That's why I posted. After all, I am a lurker, and I really really want her back.

This is almost a complete thought. Almost.

Yeah.. me too.. what's with all this talk of love and romance and such...?

I think I will go stab myself in the eye with a fork. I'll be wearing and eye patch to the show tonight.

ARRGH!

Don't you mean ARRRRRRR!?! You know, like a pirate.

hmm.. you bring up a good point.. but why can't a pirate say "ARRGH"?

after breaking up with one of my exboyfriends, he stood on a picnic table outside the Boro and announced how much he loves me, how sorry he was for being a horrible boyfriend, and how he was going to spend the rest of his life proving himself to me. people applauded and awwwed.

anyway,
i have a restraining order against him now.

i apologize, y'all. i realize that bitching about it was even more of a waste of time. i'll chill out. i honestly couldn't not care more.

Eh...I still could care less about this topic. And all of you are acting ilke a bunch of Three Fourthies.

Digsy, your avatar is really freakin me out.

Spike would be proud.

...haven't we already covered this?

sorry about postin git, I'm not doing it for attention, I didnt think at all to PM her, sorry about that.

hss- this is an awesome post. And Digsy, I think she's right. I think most people who say "could care less" are just misinformed, not trying to convey a more apathetic message. But thanks to you both for introducing a much less uncomfortable topic than the topic heading. Is this juanh guy for real or just a joker?

So, FFF, is your girlfriend inaccessible through the phone? If she is not returning calls, that is a bad sign. She probably won't respond to this thread either (as Duckie or anything!). And, given the hell she got for her name, she may not even read this board anymore. I recommend you cut ties, count your losses, and move on. There are plenty of fish in the sea and what not, and you certainly have lots of time to find someone. You seem like a nice enough guy.

Anyway, I think you and Juan Horsetown just need to forget this girl! Her priorities are obviously elsewhere.

Just my $.02 - which are relatively worthless.

I totally agree that it is misused. The term "I couldn't care less" should be used instead of "I could care less" to convey the proper emotion. I'm really just arguing that the phrase "I could care less" is still a valid phrase that could be used at some point, even if it is vague. I love these arguments, heh.

i have wondered if this juan guy is for real or not. FFF, good luck. listen to elvis costelloe's "its time" my favorite break up song ever.
hope you feel better.

Bad news, my friend... when a girl likes a guy, she doesn't want to "take a break" from him. Instead, she wants to spend as much time with him as she can. Girls who "want to take a break" are the ones who don't want to spend time with you but don't have enough class to tell you.

I would recommend that you move on.

Don't have enough class? I hardly think saying "Yeah.. I don't want to spend time with you. You suck at life" is classier then easily letting them down with a "let's take a break".

she is right, but sometimes "taking a break" is a legitamate thing and the couples get back together.

Tell that to Ross and Rachel.

"Taking a break" is bullshit. TF is right - it's for girls without class. Ladies, if you're through with a guy, tell him you don't want to be with him any more, and MAKE A CLEAN BREAK. Yes, his feelings might be more hurt than if you strung him along with the sliver of hope that is "taking a break," but in the end, it will be better for both of you. Think of it like removing a Band-Aid. You can slowly peel it off and have the pain last and last, or you can make one quick rip and have it be over with.

My suggestion to you, FFF, is to move on.

If you do want to try to get her back, just act like you're completely over her, even if you're not. Don't call her, don't e-mail her, don't send messages through her friends. If you see her in the course of your day, just smile and walk on. Girls just can't stand it when they've somehow failed at breaking your heart, and they love to be treated cruelly and indifferently by the opposite sex. But you'd better think long and hard about whether you really want this girl back...

(Edited by jamiecarroll at 3:56 pm on May. 4, 2003)

indeed, digsy.

Taking a break only happens when they either a) don't want to be with you anymore like another guy more and by default don't want to be with you anymore or c) don't want to be with you anymore. Even if the couples get back together, more often than nought they are doomed. There is resentment on behalf of the Breakee and doubt on behalf of the Breaker. On top of this, the relationship wouldn't be nearly as stable as before and whatever feeling compelled the Breaker to actually commit the break doesn't just go away, it lingers, however small it may feel, but it's still there.

Trust me, I deal with a lot of this make up break up shit.

I hardly think it's fair to say she's without class. She's just such a sweet and loving girl that she just can't hurt anyone's feelings. Yeah, she wanted to take a break, but that sort of kindness is just her nature.

I just want to say that I hope if she's doing more than taking a break, that she's thinking about ending her break with me.

wiser words were never spoken.

The whole play hard to get thing doesnt seem right to me. Maybe it works on some people, but my level of confidence is at where if the guy I'm chasin is playing all hard to get then I'm not gonna keep on trying and look like a stalker. I take it like they aren't intrested and leave it at that.

And about class.. I think it depends on what the girl implied by saying "lets take a break". I'm sure there are ways to make it sound like there is or isnt hope left. If the girl says it like there is still potential to get back together and there isnt, then thats unclassy.

Every girl says this, but every girl goes after the jerks. Ever hear the expression "nice guys finish last?" It stems from the fact that a womon likes a guy who doesn't throw himself at her.
You can't say, "Let's take a break," without a guy thinking there's hope. We're terribly unobjective about our own romantic affairs. We always project our own feelings onto the relationship no matter how much evidence we have to the contrary. ("I'm sure she was quiet and stand-offish during our date because she didn't want to seem too eager to be with me.") If by saying "Let's take a break" she meant to say "We're through," why wouldn't she just come out and say it? As JC said, it's harder at first, but it's better than dragging it out for weeks and months.

I guess I can agree with you about the coming out and saying it's over but I still don't think that reflects class.

But seriously, not every girl goes for the jerks. Me, for instance. Why make something that's already hard harder? I can understand playing it cool and not obsessing over her because no one likes that, but flat out not calling, talking, flirting, looking at her etc, would make me completley back off. Once again I think it might be a confidence issue.

FFF, you should play it cool now.. since she called it off, she's got the upper hand so you chasing her would make yourself look desperate. But in general, like trying to get a girlfriend, if you act like you arent intrested it could and might be interpreted that you aren't.

I agree. I like nice guys. I've never liked a jerk. That's just another stupid generalization...like "boys lie".

Juan, who the heck are you? you dont know her, you dont even know me so stop with crap that you posting. and for everyone, I guess kind of an update thing, I talked to her online friday and she told me to realize that this is a break up, and where not getting back together, as if to take the crumbs of what is left of my heart and break them into smaller peices. I"m trying to go on with my life, but then it's just hard when the person you care about the most doesnt want to be around you or have anything to do with you.

Let me clarify. I think that what TF says is true, unless the girl is looking for a husband. All of their lives, girls go for the asshole, for the guy who will be cruel to them, for the badass. That's what they want, though they rarely admit it. But then... they reach a point in their life when they are ready to find what could be a husband. At this point, the game changes, and what they're looking for changes. But until a girl passes this threshold, you have to know what you're up against.

FFF, the ultimate is to find that rare girl who lives above all of these bullshit games - an honest girl. This girl is literally one in a million. If you find her, don't take her for granted.

FFF, as the former king of heart-on-his-sleeve heartbreak, my advice:

go to bed early
find records that make you feel really good and really bad, and listen to them non-stop
catch up with guy friends
do stuff with groups
forget her

Don't fool yourself into calling it "love" either.

I love how you are acting like this is insanley rare when two girls just admitted to you that what you and TF say isnt true to them because they think it is retarded to go for the asshole. One out of a million? I don't know where you're looking but me and Sexy Sadie both said we like the nice boys. That's two out of like 10. And I assure you, I am NOT looking for a husband.

I'm not being sarcastic when I say this, but some of the things yall are saying is helping me, and i appreciate yall's advise

Like Matt Pelham and Bob Dylan would say, though, Rachel - actions speak louder than words. Every girl says she likes nice guys.

And like I said, the game changes when you start thinking about getting married.

wow...truer words were never spoken

As someone who has been dumped more than once or twice, take Yadadada's advice.

You are so young ( as am I), and you really can't expect relationships to work out at 15. And after all, would you really want them to? Is this the only girl you ever want to date? I know that it sucks at first but you will get over it. Like others have said, you seem like a pretty swell guy and I'm sure there is a girl out there who would love your company.

And I am in agreement with Rachel. That brings the total for girls in favor of nice guy up to 3. I've dated a few assholes and I've dated nice guys. The nice guys are the ones who still matter to me. I also think that this can be said about guys too. Guys don't always like nice girls.

Now I am so confused on what I want. I don't even know what to say. After I go through the catalouge of every guy I have ever been attracted to, then I will get back to you with a valid argument or agreement.

Hmmm....I never went around saying, "hmmm, I'm lookin' for me a perfect little badass-asshole, where he be?". Maybe some girls do though.

I guess I skipped that whole "I want a guy who will be cruel to me" stage. The only guys I've ever really really wanted (notice I said wanted) to be with have been mighty nice.

(Edited by Sexy Sadie at 4:49 pm on May. 4, 2003)

I agree. If I had those years to do over again, I would have completely steered clear of any type of long-term relationship. Just have fun while you're young. You have the rest of your life for serious relationships.

But did you or did you or did you not dump those nice guys?

(Edited by jamiecarroll at 5:52 pm on May. 4, 2003)

Okay Okay Okay. Girls are usually attracted to assholes. Usually. Something about the badassness. BUT, how many girls persue that badass is what matters. Yeah, guys like that can be hot. But I think I speak for a lot of girls when I say that: just because they are attractive because of they are "whatever" about everything and refuse to chase girls, unless you think every guy wants you no matter what, you aren't going to persue that guy as a boyfriend. Maybe as a fling or something, if that. But most girls when looking for a guy are going to go to the nice, attainable one.

Well, this is a little out of context, rachel. He also mentioned that girls will never admit that they really want the bad guy. And while I'm sure that you and sadie (i know that ray davies IS a nice guy... overall. ) may have stated that you like nice guys, it's quite possible that it was just not admitting that you like the bad guys. just playing devil's advocate there, i'm not trying to call either of you liars.

Secondly, we should remember that what we're talking about is when the girl dumps the guy. We're not talking about just now meeting the girl or the first date or even during the dating experience. So when you said that the "play hard to get" thing didn't sit right with you, we're not talking about in general. We're talking about the fact that the relationship has ended and most girls would like to see that they had a profound effect upon their ex-significant other. As sadist as it may seem, heartbreak is the only true way to acknowledge that. And by not allowing yourself to acknowledge the heartbreak, it will bother them that you aren't heartbroken. I can't speak for JC or TF, but I know from my own personal experience of what we're talking about. If I acted broken hearted in the past, the girls relished in it and loved the fact that they were an important part of my life. When I didn't act heartbroken or even thought that the breakup was a good idea, I got phone calls.

For the past year I have been going through this. The girl will call me nightly for a week... I've figured out that if I return her phone calls and talk to her during said week, she stops talking to me. She doesn't call, doesn't answer the phone. why? because I seem interested. So then, I don't call for a couple months and it's back to her calling me nightly. What's that about?

It all boils down to this: most girls love attention. When they get it, they act out, trying to get more. When they don't get it, they feel lost and have to somehow regain your interest in them.

Now, one in a million is a bit of a hyperbole, but I'm sure that we can all appreciate the misogynistic tone.

It's possible to still have fun while you're young even if you're in a serious relationship.

But, according to all of you, I'm fucking screwed.

me too. even my silly celebrity crushes are the "nice guys" or even what some might consider to be the "rejects" that no one else would ever notice. the degree i take it to gets quite comical, actually. i am being completely and utterly sincere when i say that nothing is more attractive to me than a guy who is just plain nice. and i will be very happy to remain alone 'til a nice one comes along.

YES! That's what I'm talking about.

Actually, some point in there I switched it up to how stupid it is to play hard to get from the get-go and agreed to play hard to get when it's over. I hope this whole thing isn't completley pointless if I didn't make that clear. But I think my exact words were "I'm talking about in general".

I definatley agree there. But there is a big difference in acting like that when its over and acting like that before it even begins.

yeah, well it took me so long to type everything and read it over to make sure it made sense that there were like 8 new posts by the time i hit reply.. heh.. so sorry if i covered some stuff that other people did as well.

When I said "Have fun while you're young," by "young," I meant high school-aged.

As far as being destined to be screwed goes, I don't really know anything about your situation. Are you thinking about getting married?

Honestly, after getting to know you and Ray I realize that it is possible to meet someone early in live that you can be with for the rest of your life. I have yet to find that person and I doubt I will in the near future. You and Ray are lucky, and you should be thankful. Some of us have what seems to be an eternity to go before we meet someone like that. I am not entirely sure if any of this made any sense. Please excuse the ramble...

Oh man, I am SO not qualified to be in this argument (even though I may have started it?). I think I'm done.

I like nice boys.

And thats that.

I've seen people that met in high school go on to be VERY happy later, but I've seen even more evidence of it not working. I'd say it's a rare occurance and if you do find someone from way back when, you're very lucky. Personally, I'd like to get my career settled before I'm married... I wouldn't mind having a long-term girl but marriage won't be an option for me until i pay my dues working Copy Desk and Sports Clerk or Features blurbs on 3rd shift at some shitty no-name middle-of-nowhere publication. *shrugs*

I know I'm not destined to be screwed, but I'm sure other people think I am. I'm perfectly happy. And marriage has been expected for some time now, but not planned.

Okay, well that's great! See, so you're ready to get married, so you DO like nice guys. And I think that Ray Davies seems very nice, indeed.

That's the most uplifting thing I've read in this thread.

How sweet and wonderful!

Saying girls are only attracted to "bad" boys or whatever is about the same as assuming that all guys are turned on by Playboy models and "babes" like Pamela Anderson. I know this is not true. There are some guys that just don't go ga-ga for big titties on their own, but actually look for something deeper in a girl.

Of course, it would probably be unrealistic to say that things like T & A don't help to fuel that attraction.

I'm in agreeance with you JC by saying to enjoy my youthful years, and that's what I'm gunna do, I'm not going to be in a serious relationship until I am ready to deal with all the feelings that come along with them (probably college), I turn 16 tomarrow and I get my license(spelling) and I plan to do as YDDD said, catching up with friends. and I dont know how any of yall feel about it, but I'd be glad to meet some of yall so if you ever want to meet I'd be happy to do that ond go do something sometime, I am very greatful for the advise from all of yall, yall have been very helpful, thank you

It wasn't a ramble really, and it does make sense. Those who are single sometimes think their serious relationship-involved friends are lucky, and those who are in a serious relationships sometimes think their single friends are lucky, of course.

And at the end of the day, I'm glad that all of this silly arguing could help someone. I'm glad you're feeling better, FFF.

Hey, you can use the word "you" to refer to the plural too.

Just kidding

I think you have made the mature decision. The best of luck to you!

You can?

yes. it's much like the royal "we" which is used to signify singular.

Oh sweetie, you are a young thing and have so much ahead of you! Don't let this episode get you down. You (and the girls you meet) will change SO much between now and the time you are in your 20s. You can never tell how the person you enjoy being with now will develop.

Some guy I thought I wanted to be with forever when I was 15 told me that he "had never been in love and never wanted to get married" after we went to my senior prom together. We broke up and I felt pretty bad for a while.

I see him now and then around Nashville, and I am SO glad that we broke up. He hasn't developed past a high school boy "party all the time" mentality and just last night someone told me that he is working the parking lot at Rio Bravo for a job. He is 27 or something. Yikes!

Everything happens for a reason....

actually that made perfect sense. i feel the same exact way, although I can't say I'm too worried about the single life... at least not yet

(Edited by joeywade at 6:00 pm on May. 4, 2003)

well, i can defiantely offer you some advice on this topic. DO NOT GO TO THE DMV IN MURFREESBORO. I lost my license a few weeks ago and had to have it for the features show fri. So after work, friday afternoon i went over there to get mine reprinted. It took 2 1/2 hours before i was done. And according to some younger friends of mine, I was lucky to get out that fast. The thing is, they close at 5:30 no matter what. I got my license at 5:20 with the waiting room still full of people. I was beginning to think that I'd have to sit outside with rachel and fff for the show (not that that's a bad thing) Nonetheless, it still made us late to see xmenII. Just thinking about that ordeal has gotten me pissed off again.

that's very true, but very hard to accept sometimes

JC has expessed many of my feelings more eloquently, and much less bitterly, than I ever could on this matter. Bravo.

I was just going to say something like I hate girls. Their logic and behavior is so terribly twisted.

I don't think anyone consciously roams around looking for assholes to become involved with.. I think they are subconscious decisions that girls make which support their various phobias and hang-ups. I have a theory on why this happens so often. (I always end up with assholes, I will admit it, so I have analyzed the situation thoroughly.)

1. Low self-esteem. I think girls often end up with guys that treat them badly because they don't think they deserve to be treated well.
2. Fear of comittment... if I go out with this guy that doesn't care about anything.. I don't have to worry about him really caring about me. He'll just use and then drop me.
3. Role-models with bad relationships..
4. Drama Queen Syndrome... This way I can complain to all of my friends about how horribly I am treated and they will all feel sorry for me.
5. Need for strong, paternal leadership... Woah.. I'm suddenly all on my own with nobody telling me what to do all the time. I think I better latch on to the first guy that seems like he knows something and let him completely take control of my life.

The worst thing is that all of these things... seem to kind of contribute to each other making the problem worse and worse as time goes on. At least that's how I see it. I think guys can have the same problems though... most of them seem to deal with them differently in their relationships, I think, though. Maybe this list can be applied to why guys are assholes sometimes, too. What do you think?

I've thought of various replies to this and keep deleting each one. So, to answer your question "what do you think?" I think a lot, just nothing I should tell you.

I would have said exactly the same thing two years ago today. Then weird twists of fate happened with this girl I'd had classes with for 3 years.
Kudos to serendipity...and a Features show on just the right night.
Hang in there.

This is a very nice thread. Thanks, all y'all.

Rub it in you bastard.

Okay. It's great. I love her.

I'm just saying that you never know what lurks around the corner.

this is SO true. in every aspect. you're a smart kidd, weenysmack, thats why i like ya.

i would like to state for the record that i tend to like mean guys and nice girls. i started dating this *nice* guy a few months back. I found out today (yes, today and it IS a touchy subject, appropriate for the FFF'sGF thread) that he has been cheating on me the entire time. Even when i think I'm with a nice guy, I'm not.

there are many fish in the sea, and the best ones have vaginas.

(Edited by stalker on skates at 5:26 am on May. 5, 2003)

I'm glad to see that so many girls like nice guys.

Low self-confidence, inexperience, and the promise of excitement are the root of all of weenysmack's list of problems (which are shared by many I am sure). Usually, the more you live, the better you get at it. So as long as you aren't being beaten up or abused, all relationships, good and bad, should make people stronger. Sometimes it takes a lot of mistakes to learn the lessons, though, and that's OK. Of course, if you are being beaten up or abused, it is not a learning experience, it is time to leave. But that's not really what we were talking about.

We were talking about how I'm so glad that girls like nice guys. Because I am nice.

(Edited by HeyItsBriggs at 2:32 am on May. 5, 2003)

Thanks for the insights, weenysmack. What you say makes a lot of sense.

My hopes and dreams have now been shattered.

HAHAHA... well I'm not 15 so I'm not really your type anyway.

Hey now...that was an isolated incident and she was 16, not 15. That aside, even the old ladies are showin the love for Richard Dawson. The Def Leppard show at Riverstages was overflowing with the old lady babes, but only one lucky lady got to give me her number. The rest just gave me their beers. Strike another one up for the Big Roboski.

Good for you, richard

uhh.. should i ask?

for my safety?

I feel that it is my duty to add some commentary on this FFFGF topic. FFF and I share a common bond, in that we were both dumped by a member of the same family. FFFGF's older sister and I dated for a few months approximately 3 years ago. I too was in a similar situation as his and acted like a whipped puppy dog after I got ditched. But, in hindsight, it was a wonderful thing that we didn't keep going out, because she is - as Paul would say - a psycho hose beast. Many wonderful things have happened since then and I cannot stress how meaningless that relationship is to me now. So FFF, my advice is to start drinking and gain some new friends through that bond. Drinkers are more fun than churchy people like FFFGF anyway. If possible, start smoking cigarettes too. If you opt to ignore the two previous suggestions, then find a kick-ass hobby to through yourself into. Some people say "out of sight, out of mind" and it is very true. As long as you don't see FFFGF, then you should not have to think about her. I was not lucky enough to have that option (I was ditched for a fat guy, who was an asshole...ugh). But anyway, find a cool hobby - which means to steer clear of gymnastics and the like. Also, those Vaughn girls are known for going from guy to guy. You are not the first, nor will you be the last. Just don't dwell on it, because I did and it sucked.

Forget about her. She looks like Wednesday Addams.

I don't even think IWE was talking about this, but I made out with a really babely girl when I was 19, only to find out she was 16. She was hot, but I felt weird after I thought about the age difference. And no, you don't have to worry. By the way, how old was that blonde girl that was with you at the Red Rose? She looked to be older than you...or else my babe perception may be screwed up.

Richard, you forget that Ray is in fact a gossip bitch. He has told me tales of slumber parties with 16 year old girls. I would like to hear these from the source, maybe Friday night you can tell your tales to us all...

I made out with a 15-year old when I was 19. I really had no idea she was that young until a few days later. She was the daughter of a celebrity though, so at least that was cool.

I think when you are in high school it doesn't matter who you hook up with as long as they too are in high school. I remember though in 7th and 8th grade some of my friends were all over the seniors. That was just weird. I mean, thats pretty desperate (for the seniors).

My brother is 23 and had to make out with a girl who was 13 for one of his roles. I felt really bad for him.

was it one of the olsen's?

By the way, it's been a while since I've been here.

Hmm, that could have been a while ago...because all of the slumber parties that I've been to lately have been with girls my own age. So, maybe it wasn't as perverse at the time since I was closer to 16, being 17 or so at the time. Regardless, all secrets shall be relinquished at the Blue Sky Court on Friday.

Ever notice that you can't make a wink emoticon on here? Everytime you do, it makes that squirmy face. IWE often uses the combination for a wink, but it shows up as squirmy. Is this intentional of accidental? Because, often times a wink would make more since in their posts, but it confuses me by being squirmy. What's the deal?

a very astute observation indeed, richard. the method that i use to try and remedy this problem is pairing the with the or . this way you can effectively convey the "hey, just teasing you" message.

this post was pathetic. only complete losers would worry themselves with matters as trivial as emoticons...

Hmm... it shows up on my computer as a wink. I guess it's a mystery. Everyone can assume that when they see a squirmy face from me, it is actualy meant to be a wink. It's my favorite emoticon and I use it quite often.

(Edited by iwantelvis at 12:42 pm on May. 7, 2003)

I use that for a squirmy face rather then a wink. Always. I think I actually make that face as I type most my posts and I think it's the most accurate emoticon. Too bad its not even the right one.

i only read half of the thread, the other half was whinny retardedness.

i agree with jamiecarroll on the girls going for assholes thing. it works with guys, too. me being the asshole, guys love me. nice guys and assholes (and sadly, mentally unstable/schizophrenic guys). i on the other hand go for the nice guys, but even the assholes i've dated turn into nice guys which completely messes up plans because said assholes were chosen for easy disposal.
and nice guy or not, the guy has to be hott. that may be the asshole in me, but it's the truth.

I couldn't get through much of this thread either. Anyway, my girlfriend never liked assholes. She just accidently ended up with one

sorry to bring this back up, but i was unaware of this thread until today.

first, i would like to say that the day i broke up with FFF, i clearly stated "it's over." there was no room for confusion, so he made that up. secondly, the reason he posted this message was not in fact because he wanted to prove his love for me or any such retarded thing...he's a drama queen, and always will be. he wanted your attention and your sympathy.

now, as for richarddawson....guess what, hon? she never liked you. she was on the rebound from david, and you're the bastard who got in the way. my sister may be a tad bit odd, but she is not a psycho hose beast. just because she never really liked you, that doesn't mean you should act like people care. also, when she dumped you for the "fat guy" everyone was happy. he wasn't good enough, but he was a major improvement from your sorry ass. ok, since when are we known for going from guy to guy? you don't even know shit about me or anything at all about who i am or who i've dated, so who are you to judge me on that? besides, my sister has not dated very many people. she dated david for 4 years and then there were two rebound short-term things, she was single for a long time, and she's been with carson for almost 3 years since. i hardly call that jumping from guy to guy.

also, i find it odd that you think you're so cool, because honestly, most people don't think you are remotely cool. and i find it even more odd that you think that you're all badass just cause you smoke and drink. i do that, but i don't think it makes me the shit, and i don't think it does that for you either. maybe you should try being yourself instead of pretending to be someone you aren't on here. people won't like you as yourself either, but at least that way, you won't have to try so hard to be so greatly disliked.

But what about me, baby? You know I still ove you and want you back!!

Must resist urge to agree with stupid high school girl...

mitch, i presume?

you must be on crack to think that....in fact, you probably are, but regardless, i do not now, nor have i ever resembled wednesday adams.

you however look like some disgusting homo who doesn't know how to dress himself. i honestly can't understand why a beautiful girl like allison is wasting her time on you.

Daly?

Palmer. Heisman Trophy winner. University of Southern California.

Oh, okay. If it was Daly, I would assume that Duckie would be participating in that MTV Bash thing...she's proven she's good at taking people down...

I'll take this oppurtunity to note that I dont hate anyone more then Jefforey Ross (I think thats his name). He's an asshole to everyone, which isnt that bad, but hes not even funny when he does it. If you are gonna be a jackass, do it right!

aren't you just so funny? actually, no.

Did you see him last night on Jimmy Kimmel (which I watch only for Zach)? He is pretty lame and not funny at all. I mean, he made fun of that genius girl (not our Genius Girl). But Zach was pretty funny playing against him as the effeminate football coach "Seth Galifianakis." Good stuff.

sorry digsy, i didn't mean it....what you said was actually funny. i'm just pissed cause i'm talking to FFF right now on aol and it's not pleasant

Cool.

(Edited by DigsySlattery at 10:05 pm on Jul. 11, 2003)

Yes, I did. Thats when the hatred fully sunk in. They were all being mean to the genius girl. She was really immature for a 14 year old who has graduated college, though. I felt so embarrassed for her with the slam-it thing. And for Jimmy. Seriously, how do you react to that?
Zach is awesome. I miss the beard. I think I'm going to marry him. He'll take my name, though, of course.

Geeeez...someone's a little bit high-strung, aren't they?

In my experience, richarddawson and brother love are really good people. I think maybe you just caught them on a bad day, Duckie.

(Edited by jamiecarroll at 12:48 am on Jul. 12, 2003)

I'll reply to myself and say that I laughed so hard I cried at him (and Alf) tonite.

Ouch.

I really didn't mean for that to be taken offensively. It was just an observation. People tell me all the time that I look like Harry Potter, and I think it's funny. I assumed you would take a comparison to Wednesday Addams the same way. However, I can understand why it may have hurt your feelings and I sincerely apologize.

I would like to say thanks so much for helping me realize the error of my ways. Now, instead of trying to be someone I am not, I will be myself. You are truly wise. Thanks.

1. The smoking and drinking thing was a joke.
2. Thanks JC.
3. I have finally realized that all of these people that claim to be my friends are not really my friends. They're just using me for a piece of ass. Thanks for helping me see that. You have really lived up to your Christian beliefs and set me straight in a positive way. Man, you're not a hypocrite at all. Nor are you a drama queen like that FFF guy. I had you all wrong.

*I would like to apologize for all of the irrelevance. Especially to my mentor, Sina.

my christian beliefs? you don't know my beliefs. you never took ANY time to get to know me at all. those were holly's beliefs. you just assumed they were mine as well i guess. i don't think i'm a hypocrite. if i engage in a particular activity, i don't tell others not to. so i don't see why you think i'm a hypocrite really.

i'm so sorry mitch. i didn't mean that. i don't really think you look like that and allison is lucky. i'm truely sorry.

For the record, I hope that something I said helped FFF feel less isolated. Those were my only intentions.

well i don't know you, but here's an outline as to why you've proven to be a hypocrite thus far:

1. You condemn FFF for "talking shit behind your back" (when he never really said anything bad about you, and up to this point he may have still respected you) and then come on here and start talking shit about everyone on the message board.
2. You condemn FFF for hiding behind a "faceless name on a message board" but you do the same.
3. You tell FFF he's a drama queen, when he's really just coping like any 16 year old guy would do, and then you have to show up here, stir up trouble and engage everyone here.
4. You log on to a message board who's only real purpose is to show that you are a fan of the features and have never once done so.
5. You're a bitch. (Ok, that doesn't really show any hypocrisy, but still)

1. if by "talking shit about everyone on the message board" you mean rob and mitch....rob deserved it. he's a dumbass bastard. mitch did not however deserve it and i already apologized to him. i was just so pissed at rob and other people that i took it out on him.

2. i don't hide behind a faceless name as most of you do. if you want to know who i am, i'll tell you. it's not a problem for me to reveal my identity, though past posts have proven that many of the regulars on here are terrified of being identified....this must make you wonder.

3. i didn't "show up here" to stir up trouble and engage everyone here. FFF was the first to announce "our issues" to the mb. i find it incredibly stupid that he did that in the first place. and i find it incredibly amazing that you all can read what he wrote, knowing that he has ways to contact me, and yet you think that he's not begging for sympathy. it's sick.

4. i do enjoy the features. i was only able to go to one show when i was with FFF and i don't have a way to go now, but i do enjoy the music and still listen occasionally.

5. i honestly don't care what you think because you don't know me, and even if you did, i wouldn't give a flying fuck if you thought i was a bitch.

(Edited by Duckie at 11:52 am on Jul. 12, 2003)

This whole breakup drama/insult thing is pretty crappy. I just went through a traumatic thing of the same sort myself, but come on....

I don't go on the board where he is a moderator and say things about him or his friends, and we were together for a long, long time. I actually asked the board owner to ban my IP addresses so I woudn't torture myself anymore reading about whether he did or didn't miss me and what he was doing, or post something mean or snippy in a moment of weakness.

Ignorance is bliss.... Maybe you guys should work out the same sort of situation. This stuff certainly isn't helping you work out your issues.

FFF should definitely get involved with someone else...that would throw in some extra interest. Oh wait, this is real life, and you guys are trying to give real advice...

This whole thing is just like Freddy and Jason. Just when you thought they were dead for the last time, they come back. Only in this situation, the character isn't trying to kill us, they're just trying to turn us stupid with mind-numbing bicker on an issue that nobody gives a fuck about. Let it die jackass.

Having once been a socialite for this board (I suppose I still am...), I feel obligated to make a sarcastic comment. Here we go.

You nailed it! None of us have met or eaten out together or even danced together at shows! And, we don't talk at shows, nor do we know each other's real names.

On a side note, I can't think of very many "regulars" at all that I couldn't pick out at a show. And, I don't even get to attend them all.

oh my god, duckie, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

im sick of your little posts defending yourself. its never going to work. we don't know anything about you except you dumped a guy and you use the word "homo" as an insult. i feel much more dumb after reading your "you suck im so sorry i offended you" over and over again. if you want FFF to get over you, then do us all a favor and LEAVE HIM ALONE! this includes *stupid message boards where people can hide under a false identity*

I want to go on record to say that although I don't know him that well, RD seems like a good guy. He's always been nice to me and he helped Sina move a few months back on a moments' notice with no payment whatsoever. He not only contributed some muscle, but also a pretty sizable truck which made the move 3000 times easier. Of course, he had to be a jerk and wake up her new neighbors at 2am.

I also want to go on record to say that reading all this stuff was a waste of my time.

Sorry I'm late on this topic. I was on the beach with the Carligula.com crew. My $.02

1. Richard Dawson seems like a cool guy.
2. FFF, while perhaps a little emo, seems very nice and at least occasionally talks about the Features, or something that isn't his personal life, on this message board.
3. Jeffrey Ross is fucking hilarious.

this was in one of the private messages duckie sent me a while back.

so which of you pathetic dumbfucks have enough balls to fess up to talking that shit now?

(Edited by sinasugarsick at 7:57 pm on Jul. 14, 2003)

That doesn't sound like any of the shit I've talked about you.

I rather like the different shades of Sina. And so does DickardD.

Man oh man. If I ever thought I missed high school (and I didn't, for the record) I know I don't now. Keep all of this behavior in the back of your minds, and when you get to college, have a good laugh at how crazy you once were.

This isn't, by the way, a one-sided criticism. I definitely did stupid shit in high school that I enjoy laughing about now. Maybe nothing on an internet messageboard, but something overly-dramatic and stupidly emotional, in the way that only a young heart can. Keep these memories close to you; laughing about this is a good way to help you deal with problems later on in life.

In the meantime, realize that these problems are so miniscule, even if it doesn't seem so now, that you really needn't get so worked up. If that doesn't work, do some reading on the poor souls that have to work in South African diamond mines, and realize what the scope of real problems is in this world.

Will

Different shades? Does that mean you've actually seen her when she was nice? Where the hell was I?

Different shades?
I think of two things--

1. Sina trying on a bunch of different sunglasses

2. Whatchou talkin' bout, Digsy?

uh, i have been really busy - or is it lazy, well i missed most of this thread, but i did want to agree with hss about the " i could care less thing " perhaps it is anal, but that issue has always made me crazy

Thanks to the fellas for the kind words.

Oh, I just meant her skin is splotchy. you actually think I LIKE her? heh.

speaking of splotchy skin, i burned the shit out my arm trying to make a peach pie yesterday. it looks really gross. the peach pie is damn good, though.

mmmm... human flesh flavored...

cooking is dangerous, take-out is always best!

Ha! Damn good pie! You need some damn good coffee to go with that pie.

psh. take out peach pie?

i never cook but ive been a bakin fool lately.

I just meant take out in general - not the pie specifically.

Cooking/Baking = Burns = Ouch

I wish I could come up with a good Twin Peaks retort. Just so you know, it was appreciated.

agreed. damn good coffee! and hott!

i burned my hand on some fake bacon grease last week. man, it hurt tons and tons.

jamiecarroll:
you were completley right about the play hard to get thing. sorry it took me so long to notice it.

Ah, thanks for noticing. I couldn't resist.

Fake bacon grease? I've yet to try fake bacon, but I've made just about every other fake meat product, and none of them have produced grease...??? Did you add oil to the pan you were frying in or something?

the pan was actually greased with tofu lard (which reminds me of the thanksgiving debate over tofurkey and faux turkey...).

I'm glad you've seen the light, Rachel. We have to know what we're up against.

nevermind

(Edited by Bowl of Fire at 1:17 pm on Feb. 17, 2004)

I was really hoping Duckie was back! She was damn funny.

(Edited by Brother Love at 12:32 pm on Feb. 17, 2004)

So random. Do you keep in touch with FFF'sGF/Duckie? How is she?

This thread is one of my personal favorities of all time. I do regret giving the advice that I gave to FFF and others, though.

I saw that it was her birthday and thus spent the last hour reading through the thread. I don't know her personally so now I feel kinda stupid for posting, but seriously this thread is better than daytime TV.

(Edited by Bowl of Fire at 1:32 pm on Feb. 17, 2004)

ditto, for some reason I missed all the posts in this thread on the 1st go round. Duckie seems/seemed like a complete idiot. On one hand, I'm glad she's gone, however it'd be nice to have some excitement like that back on the message board.

Why?

yes, why?! you can't go change your mind now! i spent months thinking it through and finally came to a satisfying conclusion and you are going to make me go through it all again?! curse you, carroll!

damn, reading back on this, I was a kinda weird a year ago, this is all quite embarising.

I think everyone can look back on a break-up at some point in their lives and not be too proud of what they did around that time.


Except probably Sina.

JC, this is fucking good advice (that I recently should have taken myself), and I hope this isn't part of what you regret saying.

(Edited by Keith at 7:12 pm on Feb. 17, 2004)

The best part of his advice is the part where he said I was right.